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Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too?

From	Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.microsoft.windows
Subject	Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too?
Date	2022-08-14 16:19 +0100
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Rick wrote:

> I've been using Microsoft 11 for several months and have never logged into 
> any Microsoft account.  

First, THANK YOU for responding ON TOPIC!
You're a godsend because you are the first who _understood_ the topic.

This is EXCELLENT information (if it's true).
Unfortunately, I have to ASK OTHERS if it's true because:
a. My Win10 does NOT have a MS account
b. Every WinS that I converted to Win10 does NOT have a MS account
c. But my Win10 desktops are too old to be allowed to install Win11

So I have to ask those of you on Windows 11 Home about this question.
Are you _sure_ you were able to set up Windows 11 Home WITHOUT an account?

I was "under the impression" that this was now required.
Please advise as that is a critically important detail.

> In fact, in 25+ years of using Windows-based 
> computers, I have never even had a Microsoft account. 

As I recall, when I converted Windows S laptops into Windows 10 Home, I had
to "temporarily" _create_ a MS Account, and then I could have it deleted.

Is that no longer necessary to first create the account and then delete it
for Windows S to be converted into Windows 10 Home nowadays?

> My computer works 
> just fine and I can access all functionality including internet access with 
> no problems.

Good. If this is true, and it may very well _be_ true, that Windows 11 does
not _require_ a MS account for full functionality, then this question being
asked is moot.

Note that I am not in the least worried about the inability to log into and
install programs from the Microsoft Store since, IMHO, it's all garbage.

For _that_, you "probably" need an account - but - as you stated - you
still have _full functionality_ without logging into that MS Store.

> 
> I do  have a username and password for accessing my computer locally, but 
> it's a stretch to call that a Microsoft account. 

Agreed. A _local_ account is normal. Like in the "olden days" we had a
username and a password that was local to the machine. That's fine.

>  That's more to keep my 
> computer physically secure against other people in my house.  Even when I am 
> not connected to the internet (if I disable my network connection, for 
> example) I can still access my computer just fine and access all its 
> functionality.   So I'm not sure what you mean by saying Windows 11 has a 
> requirement to log onto some mythical Microsoft tracking account.

Like you, for my _entire_ experience with Microsoft, I have resisted the
requests by Microsoft to _create_ a mothership tracking account.

About the only thing you "lose" today, at least with Windows 10, by not
having a Microsoft mothership tracking account, AFAIK, is the ability to
download "some" apps from the Microsoft Store (but who cares about them?).

In my humble experience, there's only garbage (or duplicates) in that MS
Store, so you still retain what I'd call "full functionality" without
having that login to the Microsoft tracking servers on Windows 10.

But it was my understanding that Windows 11 Home _required_ a mothership
account?

I clearly understand you are saying that it does not.
Is that correct?

Am I wrong then, to assume that Windows 11 _required_ a mothership account?
-- 
PS: I only care about the facts so if I was wrong all along - just say so.

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