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"C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language"

From Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
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Subject "C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language"
Date 2022-07-11 00:44 -0500
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"C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language"
    https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/23/c_not_a_language/

"Aria Beingessner, a member of the teams that implemented both Rust and 
Swift, has an interesting take on some of those (and other) language's 
problems – that C isn't a programming language anymore."

"There are many problems with the C language. To pick just a few: it can 
be difficult to parse; there are competing and subtly incompatible 
variants; and then there are the complex ways C defines and handles 
integers and other variables."

"For instance, after much deliberation, a bunch of companies called the 
Aspen Group settled on a programming model for 64-bit Unix and Unix-like 
OSes called LP64, also known as "4/8/8". Unfortunately, 64-bit Microsoft 
Windows uses a different model, called LLP64 or "4/4/8"."
 
https://techmonitor.ai/technology/aspen_group_hands_over_specification_proposals_overspill_to_xopen_will_implement_common_64_bit
and
    https://wiki.wireshark.org/Development/Win64

"And that's before the issues around intmax_t, which the C99 standard 
defines as "a signed integer type capable of representing any value of 
any signed integer type." As software engineer JeanHeyd Meneide pointed 
out, this gets complicated.
    https://thephd.dev/intmax_t-hell-c++-c

Lynn

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"C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-07-11 00:44 -0500
  Re: "C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-07-11 09:33 +0200
    Re: "C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-07-11 00:58 -0700
      Re: "C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-07-11 15:39 +0200
      Re: "C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language" Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2022-07-11 14:17 +0000
        Re: "C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-11 14:38 +0000
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  Re: "C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language" Mark Bluemel <mark.bluemel@gmail.com> - 2022-07-11 03:28 -0700
    Re: "C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-07-11 14:24 -0500
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        Re: "C: Everyone's favourite programming language isn't a programming language" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-07-11 19:34 -0500
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