Re: If Debian support OS certification?

From	Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.project
Subject	Re: If Debian support OS certification?
Date	2017-05-04 02:10 +0200
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On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 07:56:45AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
>> No, they should not, otherwise this certification becomes meaningless.
>
>I see these certifications primarily as a service to Debian users and
>not as endorsements of vendors, but as statements of fact. The
>consequences to users should stated as part of the certification
>output. "This system can run Debian main", "This system is missing
>drivers for XYZ", "This system requires non-free firmware", "This
>system requires a custom bootloader", "This system requires a custom
>kernel", "This system requires a custom kernel and must use sysvinit",
>"This system requires an unofficial Debian port", "This system
>requires recompiling Debian from scratch" (CPU requirements bumps or
>CPU bugs). Basically, a more automated version of InstallingDebianOn.
>
>If Debian only certifies systems installed using official d-i images
>then we won't be certifying much, since almost everything requires
>preinstalled or runtime-loaded non-free firmware for some part of the
>system. We would basically only be able to certify RYF devices and may
>as well just require FSF RYF certification up-front before a system
>can be certified for Debian use.

Are you really claiming that systems already shipped with *firmware
included* can't be installed using d-i? That's rather bogus, if
so. Please explain?

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If Debian support OS certification? Eric Lai (賴裕文) <Eric_Lai@quantatw.com> - 2017-03-14 04:00 +0100
  Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-03-14 05:20 +0100
    Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-03-15 01:40 +0100
      RE: If Debian support OS certification? Eric Lai (賴裕文) <Eric_Lai@quantatw.com> - 2017-03-15 09:40 +0100
      Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-03-17 01:40 +0100
    Re: If Debian support OS certification? Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2017-05-01 23:20 +0200
      Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-05-02 02:40 +0200
        Re: If Debian support OS certification? Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2017-05-02 03:10 +0200
        Re: If Debian support OS certification? Ritesh Raj Sarraf <rrs@debian.org> - 2017-05-02 20:00 +0200
          Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-05-03 11:00 +0200
            Re: If Debian support OS certification? Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-05-03 18:20 +0200
              Re: If Debian support OS certification? "Andre Felipe Machado" <andremachado@techforce.com.br> - 2017-05-03 21:30 +0200
              Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-05-04 02:00 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-05-04 02:10 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-05-04 03:20 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-05-04 02:30 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-05-04 03:30 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2017-05-17 00:40 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-05-17 03:10 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-05-17 15:40 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-05-17 16:00 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2017-05-17 16:00 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Zlatan Todoric <zlatan@riseup.net> - 2017-05-18 11:30 +0200
          Re: If Debian support OS certification? Ritesh Raj Sarraf <rrs@debian.org> - 2017-05-16 08:20 +0200
            Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-05-16 10:20 +0200
        Re: If Debian support OS certification? Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2017-05-04 18:30 +0200
        Re: If Debian support OS certification? Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2017-05-05 17:00 +0200
          Re: If Debian support OS certification? Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-05-05 23:50 +0200
            Re: If Debian support OS certification? Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2017-05-06 04:00 +0200
              Re: If Debian support OS certification? Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2017-05-16 18:20 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-05-17 02:20 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-05-17 15:30 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-05-17 16:00 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2017-05-19 17:50 +0200
                Re: If Debian support OS certification? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-05-20 03:40 +0200
          Re: If Debian support OS certification? Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2017-05-06 09:40 +0200

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