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Re: A love of languages

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: A love of languages
Date 2022-04-07 12:02 +0200
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 07/04/2022 11:42, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 11:24:36 +0200
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>> On 07/04/2022 00:18, Richard wrote:
>>> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>>>
>>> Muttley@dastardlyhq.com spake the secret code
>>> <t23oq5$1jau$1@gioia.aioe.org> thusly:
>>>
>>>> If you think you might need it to get a job then do it, otherwise there's
>>>> little point. Its just another procedural scripting language with an OO
>>>> kludge nailed on top and doesn't bring anything new to the table.
>>>
>>> The point about python isn't the language, it's the ecosystem of
>>> packages.
>>>
>>> Same for nodejs, perl, TeX, ruby, etc.  All those languages continue to
>>> thrive and be useful for their niche because the ecosystem of packages
>>> and the ease by which you can consume them makes it easy to get stuff
>>> done.
>>>
>>> vcpkg is making a difference for C++ though.
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpBDHh47w-I>
>>>
>>> ...and speaking of package managers and python, I really dislike these
>>> package managers for C++ that are written in python.  Adding a
>>> dependency on another language is a fail from step 1.
>>
>> Why would you say that?  Pick the right language for the task in hand.
>> Python is a better language for a package manager than C++ - it has far
>> more of the useful components already in its library (internet
>> protocols, zip/tar/bzip2, that kind of thing), and lets you make a
>> package manager in a small fraction of the number of lines of code you'd
>> need in C++.  There are no advantages in using C++ here - you don't need
>> the speed (code speed is not the bottleneck), you don't care about
>> memory efficiency or disk space.
> 
> Using bash would be even better. Its installed by default on every version
> of *nix that matters.
> 

It is not uncommon for things like a package manager to use other common 
utilities - including shells.  But bash alone is not a language you'd 
use for a task like this.

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A love of languages Jack Lemmon <invalid@invalid.net> - 2022-03-27 17:00 +0100
  Re: A love of languages Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-27 18:24 +0200
  Re: A love of languages Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-03-28 23:08 +0000
    Re: A love of languages Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-30 21:53 +0100
      Re: A love of languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-03-31 10:29 +0200
        Re: A love of languages Mateusz Viste <mateusz@xyz.invalid> - 2022-03-31 10:52 +0200
          Re: A love of languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-03-31 11:59 +0200
          Re: A love of languages Kaz Kylheku <480-992-1380@kylheku.com> - 2022-03-31 16:15 +0000
        Re: A love of languages Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2022-03-31 09:06 -0700
      Re: A love of languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-03-31 08:29 +0000
        Re: A love of languages Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-04-04 06:00 +0000
          Re: A love of languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-04-04 08:28 +0000
            Re: A love of languages Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-04-05 21:10 +0100
              Re: A love of languages red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2022-04-05 13:28 -0700
              Re: A love of languages om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) - 2022-04-11 13:24 -0400
              Re: A love of languages om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) - 2022-04-11 19:13 -0400
        Re: A love of languages legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2022-04-06 22:18 +0000
          Re: A love of languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-04-07 09:02 +0000
          Re: A love of languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-04-07 11:24 +0200
            Re: A love of languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-04-07 09:42 +0000
              Re: A love of languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-04-07 12:02 +0200
              Re: A love of languages Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2022-04-07 21:54 +0200
                Re: A love of languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-04-08 10:49 +0000
                Re: A love of languages Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2022-04-08 05:21 -0700
                Re: A love of languages Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-04-08 12:16 +0000
                Re: A love of languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-04-08 15:08 +0200
                Re: A love of languages Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-04-08 15:31 +0100
                Re: A love of languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-04-08 18:15 +0200
                Re: A love of languages Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-04-08 19:14 +0100
                Re: A love of languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-04-08 14:53 +0000
                Re: A love of languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-04-08 18:18 +0200
                Re: A love of languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-04-08 17:47 +0000
                Re: A love of languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-04-09 09:13 +0000
                Re: A love of languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-04-08 14:51 +0000
                Re: A love of languages Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2022-04-16 13:39 -0700
                Re: A love of languages Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2022-04-11 08:28 +0000
              Re: A love of languages legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2022-04-07 20:54 +0000

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