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Re: Chris Pratt etc.

From owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Chris Pratt etc.
Date 2018-07-19 14:51 +0000
Organization O.W.L.
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-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 8:50:01 AM UTC-4, owl wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>> > owl wrote:
>> >>-hh  wrote: 
>> >>> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 7:26:21 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: 
>> >>>> -hh wrote: 
>> >>>> > On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 9:39:00 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: 
>> >>>> >> -hh wrote: 
>> >>>> >> > On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 9:20:25 AM UTC-4, owl wrote: 
>> >>>> >> >> -hh wrote: 
>> >>>> >> >> > On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 11:56:57 PM UTC-4, owl wrote: 
>> >>>> >> >> >> -hh  wrote: 
>> >>>> >> >> ... 
>> >>>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >>>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> >> > After all, it always takes some amount of time.  It took Harrison 
>> >>>> >> > Ford 13 years (1964-77) to break out, Tom Hanks eight (1979-87) 
>> >>>> >> > and so forth.  Tom Cruise matched Mostel's five years (1981-86), 
>> >>>> >> > but then again Cruise has still not won an Oscar (but he has won 
>> >>>> >> > three Razzies). 
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> 
>> >>>> >> And neither did Mostel ever win an Oscar.  He was never even nominated 
>> >>>> >> for one. 
>> >>>> > 
>> >>>> > His primary craft and focus was the Stage, and he won 3 Tonys there. 
>> >>>> > As such, he undoubtedly was an "A Lister" within the US Entertainment 
>> >>>> > industry, even if you try to split hairs between the different mediums 
>> >>>> > of the industry: 
>> >>>> > 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> These are the years that Mostel had stage work: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Gosh, all of a sudden, owl drops his filmography requirement. 
>> >>
>> >> No.  I gave a list of his stage work to address your claim that 
>> >> the stage was his "primary craft."  
>> > 
>> > Because you cited “Hollywood” and then his lack of Oscar awards
>> > to claim he was a B Actor.
>> 
>> No, I cited his lack of Oscars only in reponse to your mentioning of all
>> the awards he had won which supposedly proved he was not B-list.
> 
> Where your choice of definition of B-list is anyone not in Hollywood,
> which illustrates your myopia.  
> 
>>  The fact is that he was a B-list actor who rode the coattails of
>> others and who went for periods without work, like everybody else. 
> 
> Nope, because as a multiple Tony Award winner, he clearly wasn't some
> B list nobody of the stage as you're trying to insinuate.  And while
> there certainly are people who go for periods without work, the basic
> reason why usually hasn't included being blackballed by the Government.
> 
> 
>> >  He was a stage guy who did well, who
>> > also did cinema, including some popular iconic roles,
>> 
>> I can't think of anyone who upon hearing the name "Zero Mostel"
>> would think, "Oh, you mean the great Broadway actor."  Outside of
>> New York, nobody knows or cares about Broadway actors.
> 
> London cares, as do many others.  You need to keep in mind that
> historically, film is the "poor cousin" of live performances,


LOL.  Before Chaplin, maybe.


> even
> though it has used technology to make itself appear to be a rich
> experience.  The reality is that they've done quite well to bring
> up their work, but the Hollywood cinema business model is still one
> of maximizing for mass market volume.  That's why "Indy" films are
> classically where its at for compelling stories while Hollywood
> just cranks out yet another "Iron Man" sequel. 
> 
> 
> 
>> >> ...and they all typically go multiple years without actively working 
>> >> on a project, in part because of the outrageous salaries they are 
>> >> given in expectation of non-continuous work periods.  
>> > 
>> > No, only the A-Listers get outrageous salaries.
>> 
>> That depends on what you consider "outrageous."  
>> I know one guy who worked steadily throughout the seventies
>> as a work-for-hire screenwriter and who, despite ending up with
>> only one screen credit, managed to average about $300,000 per 
>> year during that time -- for what amounted to about thirty to 
>> sixty days work per year.  And as a writer he was of course
>> making peanuts compared to everybody else in the industry.
> 
> It all depends on just who wants what/who and how much their
> particular talents are needed ... just as how Ron Howard being 
> pulled in to be a fixer on the Han Solo movie certainly did not
> come cheap.  
> 
> In any event, you're not the only one who has friends who had
> (or still are) working in the industry.  The last time I was in
> LA I was able to hook up with a friend as they were moderating a 
> writer's panel that night & met their panelists, which happened
> to include Andy Gordon (Modern Family)...which is a lot more
> contemporary that your "friend from the 1970s".  
> 

That's just one old guy I know.  He's retired now.  Another friend
is a currently working producer in his forties.  He makes primarily
low-budget crap that never gets beyond Netflix, but he does extremely
well financially compared to the rest of Planet Earth. 


>  
>> >  The no-names rest are 
>> > commodity fodder working for beans while looking for their big break.
>> > 
>> >> Sometimes they are 
>> >> contractually forbidden to work for anybody else during the period a 
>> >> project is in development, which might be several years.  And contracts 
>> >> are generally structured so that payments are spread over various 
>> >> milestones.  
>> > 
>> > Depends on the role...and residuals are hardly a huge secret.
>> 
>> I'm not talking about residuals.  I'm talking about large payments
>> that are made at various stages during production.
> 
> Payment forms vary ... Film at 11!  /s
> 
> 
>> The signing of the contract alone can bring a pig payday.
> 
> Sure, if you have what they want, for it is still just a classical
> capitalistic "Supply & Demand" market, where below the A-list, 


I'm not talking about people who have never worked in Hollywood before,
and start at scale.  I'm talking anyone who has even a small track record
and a decent agent is going to be making craploads of money as compared
to the general population, even though you or I might never have heard
of them, and regardless of their position on any any sort of "ranking"
list (or even being on one for that matter).  The money in Hollywood
is obscene.  And once you're in that groove, being "out of work" for
periods is not a problem.


> the talent is much more fungible, and as one progresses further,
> supply exceeds the demand.
> 
> Case in point, from a few years ago:
> 
> "According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, half of all writers 
> earn less than $55,870 a year."
> 
> <http://work.chron.com/standard-beginning-wage-scriptwriter-14252.html>
> 
> Similarly, a full season on TV is 22 episodes, and again from the
> above, "A 30-minute script...averages around $6,500 for the story 
> and $19,603 for the actual script", and while $143K & $431K sounds
> pretty sweet, this is the base amount that gets split up by the
> writing team.  With eight in the pit, the share is $18K & $54K...
> 


I don't know anybody who works in TV.  But writers have always been
underpaid, despite their immense contribution.

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        Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-13 12:53 -0500
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                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 16:00 +0000
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                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 17:18 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 18:15 +0000
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                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 09:09 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 11:32 -0500
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                Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 13:58 -0500
                Multiple right-wing posts deleted, unread chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 14:16 -0500
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                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 14:38 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 15:32 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 15:41 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 15:57 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 16:03 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 17:04 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 17:34 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 17:43 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 19:30 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 13:40 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 19:46 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 18:32 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 18:37 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 18:56 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 19:18 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-16 13:47 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-16 13:44 -0500
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-16 18:50 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 18:01 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 17:55 +0000
          Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 11:10 -0700
          Re: Chris Pratt etc. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 21:10 +0000
            Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 15:47 -0700
              Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 16:17 -0700
        Re: Chris Pratt etc. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-13 11:13 -0700
        Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 06:04 -0700
          Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 14:54 +0000
            Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 08:38 -0700
              Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 15:59 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 09:25 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 10:52 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 18:51 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 14:51 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-16 18:06 -0400
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 15:26 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-16 22:19 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 17:47 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-17 01:03 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-16 19:23 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 19:36 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 19:52 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-17 03:56 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 21:26 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 02:37 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 04:11 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-16 22:44 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 01:20 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-17 02:50 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 03:08 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 04:59 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-17 13:20 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 06:48 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 17:15 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-17 13:45 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 14:39 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-18 01:38 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 19:04 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-18 03:06 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-18 11:26 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 04:45 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-18 15:24 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 15:42 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-19 00:48 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 18:03 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-18 19:29 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-19 12:49 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-19 06:46 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-19 14:51 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 08:07 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-19 09:09 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 09:26 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-19 17:30 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 10:59 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-19 13:39 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 13:52 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-19 20:58 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-19 14:33 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-20 01:22 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 18:33 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 10:10 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 20:07 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 10:56 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-20 10:08 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-07-20 18:01 +0000
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 11:28 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-20 11:40 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 11:59 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 14:23 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 19:04 -0700
                Re: Chris Pratt etc. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 07:04 -0700
                Racist Communism Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-07-27 16:51 -0700
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