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Re: How to avoid an overflow during multiplication?

From Manfred <invalid@add.invalid>
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Subject Re: How to avoid an overflow during multiplication?
Date 2022-02-05 23:18 +0100
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On 2/5/22 5:27 PM, David Brown wrote:
> On 05/02/2022 16:16, Bart wrote:
>> On 05/02/2022 13:23, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 04/02/2022 20:38, Bart wrote:
>>>> On 04/02/2022 10:06, David Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Secondly, there are technical differences.  The conversion of an
>>>>> integer
>>>>> "x" to a _Bool "b" is effectively "b = !!x;".  You are guaranteed that
>>>>> "b" is either 0 or 1 - and the compiler can use that knowledge for
>>>>> optimisation (as can the programmer).  This can mean some operations
>>>>> (such as conversion from an integer) may be less efficient, but other
>>>>> operations (such as logical operations) are more efficient.
>>>>> Overall, it
>>>>> is usually a win.
>>>>
>>>> You're never really quite sure what's happening with _Bool.
>>>>
>>>> There's little control over its size. And in A program like this:
>>>>
>>>>       union {
>>>>           _Bool a;
>>>>           unsigned char b;
>>>>       } x;
>>>>
>>>>       x.b=0x55;
>>>>       printf("A= %X\n", x.a);
>>>>       printf("B= %X\n", x.b);
>>>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> You can probably claim this is due to UB or whatever, but the fact
>>>> remains that using regular int types, the results will be consistent and
>>>> predictable across all compilers. It /is/ possible for the byte value
>>>> that usually represents a bool type to be set something that is neither
>>>> true (1) or false (0).
>>>>
>>>
>>> It /is/ undefined behaviour.  (6.2.6.1p5 covers it, though I doubt if
>>> you care.)  It is also common sense.  A _Bool contains either 0 or 1 -
>>> any other value is invalid and can't be achieved without extraordinary
>>> effort designed purely to make bad code.
>>>
>>> Yes, you know /exactly/ what is happening with _Bool - write sane code,
>>> and you get the results you expect.  Write code with clear and
>>> intentional errors with the sole intention of getting inconsistent
>>> results, and you get exactly what you expect.
>>
>> My point is exactly that you don't know what's going on, if not because
>> it's UB, it's because it's implementation defined or for some other
>> weird reason. Take this:
>>
>>      _Bool a=0;
>>
>>      for (int i=0; i<10; ++i){
>>          printf("%d  ",a);
>>          ++a;
>>      }
>>
>> What will be the output? For ++a, it's:
>>
>>    0 1 1 1 1 1 ...
> 
> ++a means (a += 1), which in turn means (a = a + 1).  The boolean is
> converted to an int (either 0 or 1), and 1 is added giving either 1 or
> 2.  Conversion back to _Bool is on the basis of comparison to 0 - since
> neither 1 nor 2 compares equal to 0, the result of "++a" will always
> leave "a" as "true".
> 
>>
>> But for --a it's:
>>
>>    0 1 0 1 0 1 ...
> 
> Similar reasoning - if "a" is currently "true", then after "--a" it is
> left as "false".  If "a" is currently "false", then "a = a - 1" will
> give "a = -1", and thus set "a" to "true" (1).
> 
> It's not hard, not UB, not unexpected.  (It is also almost certainly not
> found in real code, which is why compilers like gcc with "-Wall" will
> warn you that it's probably a mistake in your code.  And in C++, it is
> not allowed at all.)
> 

[snip anything about MSVC]

Your explanation is correct, but I still think that Bart has a point.
This example shows that, as it has been designed, _Bool is not 
completely a self-consistent type.

There is no reason why a boolean type should behave as shown with ++ and --.

The fact that this is the result of an implicit round trip to and from 
'int' shows that _Bool is to some extent still intermingled with 'int', 
despite the intention of making a true boolean type to get rid of the 
traditional use of 'int' for this purpose.

I know that this is still an extreme example, and I wouldn't write code 
like this:

Obviously, if a is a _Bool, "a++" should be replaced with "a = true", 
and "a--" should be replaced with "a = !a"

However, the fact that writing "a++" and "a--" is allowed gives Bart a 
point, IMO.

> 
> The logical and relational operators in C evaluate to "int", values 0 or
> 1, preceding the introduction of _Bool to the language.
> 
> The fact that you personally get confused about _Bool and don't
> understand what it is and how it is defined, does not mean that it is
> unclear, confusing, imprecise, or that anyone else fails to comprehend it.
> 
> However, now you know the rules that apply even when doing something as
> deliberately unrealistic and pointless as incrementing or decrementing a
> boolean variable.  So you can no longer claim that you don't understand
> it, or are not sure what is going on, and can now happily make use of
> this extremely useful type.
> 

One might argue that the fact that the rules explain the result do not 
make the rules right.

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          Re: How to avoid an overflow during multiplication? Mateusz Viste <mateusz@xyz.invalid> - 2021-12-31 20:49 +0100
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