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Re: That's while I love C++ over C

From Bart <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: That's while I love C++ over C
Date 2021-11-06 12:00 +0000
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On 06/11/2021 09:58, David Brown wrote:
> On 06/11/2021 00:46, Bart wrote:
>> On 05/11/2021 23:24, red floyd wrote:
>>> On 11/5/2021 3:25 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 11/5/2021 4:59 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:
>>
>>> [insanely ugly, unreadable, and unmaintainable code fragments redacted]
>>
>> You're having a laugh I think.
>>
>> My code fragments, /one of which was the equivalent of a C++ example/,
>> originated in Algol68, usually regarded as elegant.
> 
> We are no longer living in 1968.  Even if these things were regarded as
> "elegant" at that time (and I doubt it), that does not make them
> appropriate today.  (The /language/ Algol68 was considered elegant at
> the time - that doesn't mean that any code written in it was elegant.)
> 
> There are also widely different opinions on these kinds of things, and
> widely different needs.

But calling it 'insanely ugly' and 'unreadable' is extreme, and was rich 
coming from a C++ programmer.

I found Algol68 highly inspiring and refreshing 40 years ago, but I'd 
only seen it beautifully typeset in textbooks.

The reality is somewhat different, since that language made a rod for 
its own back by allowing spaces within identifiers. That meant requiring 
various schemes to distinguish reserved words from identifiers, such as 
using all-caps for the former.

The result looks dreadful. However the fragments I posted didn't include 
those elements; they were perfectly clean examples of syntax.

> I've seen code snippets and suggestions posted
> here by folks like Ben, James and Keith that would immediately be
> downvoted in a review for my kind of work - and I would expect they
> would have a similar reaction to some things /I/ write.  It doesn't mean
> code is necessarily objectively bad, merely that it is not appropriate
> for the requirements of that kind of coding.
> 

Downvoted; fired; retraining... The latter sounds like something from 
/1984/ or /A Clockwork Orange/.

Not liking code is fair enough, but to expound on what you would do to 
someone who wrote that code? What is the matter with people here?

(And I don't even write code like that! I checked my [static] codebase 
for examples of conditional or multiple LHSs in an assignment, and I 
couldn't find any. I just implement the feature.)

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That's while I love C++ over C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-11-03 20:39 +0100
  Re: That's while I love C++ over C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-11-03 20:28 +0000
    Re: That's while I love C++ over C Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-05 21:59 +0000
      Re: That's while I love C++ over C Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 17:25 -0500
        Re: That's while I love C++ over C red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2021-11-05 16:24 -0700
          Re: That's while I love C++ over C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-11-05 23:46 +0000
            Re: That's while I love C++ over C Tony Oliver <guinness.tony@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 17:48 -0700
              Re: That's while I love C++ over C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-11-06 01:40 +0000
              Re: That's while I love C++ over C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-11-06 02:32 +0000
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2021-11-05 20:18 -0700
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2021-11-06 04:48 +0100
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-11-06 00:34 -0400
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 22:48 -0700
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2021-11-05 22:26 -0700
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-11-06 07:37 +0100
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-11-06 07:36 +0100
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> - 2021-11-06 06:59 +0000
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-06 11:12 +0100
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-11-06 11:08 +0000
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-11-06 15:03 +0100
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-11-06 19:12 +0100
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-11-06 18:57 +0000
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-11-06 20:50 +0000
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-11-06 11:44 +0000
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-11-06 13:18 +0000
            Re: That's while I love C++ over C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-06 10:58 +0100
              Re: That's while I love C++ over C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-11-06 12:00 +0000
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2021-11-06 07:04 -0700
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-06 15:50 +0100
            Re: That's while I love C++ over C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-06 14:43 +0000
              [OT] Algol68 Was: That's while I love C++ over C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-11-06 17:13 +0000
                Re: [OT] Algol68 Was: That's while I love C++ over C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-06 20:16 +0000
                Re: [OT] Algol68 Was: That's while I love C++ over C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-11-06 20:25 +0000
          Re: That's while I love C++ over C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 21:59 -0700
            Re: That's while I love C++ over C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 22:23 -0700
              Re: That's while I love C++ over C red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2021-11-05 22:27 -0700
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2021-11-05 22:28 -0700
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 22:46 -0700
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 22:46 -0700
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-06 12:25 +0100
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-11-06 13:27 -0700
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-11-07 00:38 +0100
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-11-07 00:33 +0000
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-07 15:10 +0100
                Re: That's while I love C++ over C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-11-08 01:47 -0500
      Re: That's while I love C++ over C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-11-05 23:35 +0000
      Re: That's while I love C++ over C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-11-06 07:33 +0100

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