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Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor?

From -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org>
Newsgroups rec.audio.high-end
Subject Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor?
Date 2020-12-07 08:07 -0500
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On 2020-12-07, Peter Wieck <peterwieck33@gmail.com> wrote:
>> **Nothing (in this universe) can move faster than 'c'. Not light, not 
>> electrons, not gravity. 
>
> Never stated nor implied that. What I stated is that as with water in a pipe, when water goes in at one end, water instantaneously comes out at the other end. But, IT IS NOT THE SAME WATER. 
>

The first and second sentences here are wrong.

The speed of water signal propagation is the speed of sound in water, which is
around 1400-1600m/s depending on temperature, salinity, etc. That is literally
the speed at which water molecules can push each other around; it is not
"instantaneous".

Applicability of this argument to audio:

1. The speed of sound in water is about 4x the speed of sound in air. Therefore,
   there is a major impedance mismatch at air/water boundaries, leading to
   sound reflection.

2. The speed of an electrical signal is finite (but very fast), so we can measure
   and discover that it doesn't matter whether your speaker wires are the same
   length because you can't hear the timing difference for any reasonable 
   difference in length. (Say, 1 meter vs 1000 meters -- you'll get differences
   in signal level before you get audible timing differences.)

-dsr-

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Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? "oben...@gmail.com" <obenings@gmail.com> - 2020-12-03 03:03 -0800
  Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Peter Wieck <peterwieck33@gmail.com> - 2020-12-03 06:30 -0800
    Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Dick Pierce <dpierce.cartchunk.org@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 06:42 -0800
    Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Dick Pierce <dpierce.cartchunk.org@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 14:33 -0800
      Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Peter Wieck <peterwieck33@gmail.com> - 2020-12-11 04:29 -0800
        Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2020-12-12 10:06 +1100
        Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Dick Pierce <dpierce.cartchunk.org@gmail.com> - 2020-12-11 18:26 -0800
  Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2020-12-05 08:48 +1100
    Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Peter Wieck <peterwieck33@gmail.com> - 2020-12-06 04:59 -0800
      Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> - 2020-12-06 10:23 -0500
      Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2020-12-07 10:48 +1100
        Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Peter Wieck <peterwieck33@gmail.com> - 2020-12-07 04:37 -0800
          Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> - 2020-12-07 08:07 -0500
            Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Peter Wieck <peterwieck33@gmail.com> - 2020-12-07 07:35 -0800
              Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> - 2020-12-07 12:13 -0500
        Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Peter Wieck <peterwieck33@gmail.com> - 2020-12-07 04:34 -0800
          Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> - 2020-12-07 07:55 -0500
            Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2020-12-08 07:37 +1100
          Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Dick Pierce <dpierce.cartchunk.org@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 06:45 -0800
      Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Dick Pierce <dpierce.cartchunk.org@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 06:42 -0800
        Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? "harris...@gmail.com" <harrisonspace@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 05:45 -0800
          Re: Audio Interconnect cable Performance - is Return Wire Diameter a Factor? Dick Pierce <dpierce.cartchunk.org@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 14:05 -0800

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