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Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me

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From Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Subject Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me
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Date 2014-01-19 20:55 -0600

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On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 16:43:33 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnldogt0.n69.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
><timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
>> > For many people, iCloud is probably the best way to handle syncing, 
>> > because it is trivial to set up. But some of us prefer to keep our 
>> > important and/or private information out of the cloud. It's not 
>> > just a matter of privacy. Control is also a concern. Some 
>> > information is important enough to me that I must insist on 
>> > controlling it myself. No matter what anyone says, if it's in the 
>> > cloud I don't control it.
>> 
>> That is correct.  And recent court decisions basically defeating net 
>> neutrality will make it even more correct as time goes on.  My case 
>> is exactly an example of this:  Apple, in their infinite pissiness, 
>> decided they owned my data instead of me owning it.  If I wasn't going 
>> to play ball by their rules, they were going to take my ball and go 
>> home.
>
> they don't own your data.

They acted like they do.

>> This is an evil action on their part.
>
> it was a mistake on your part. you killed the power before it finished 
> syncing. that can cause data loss, and in your case, it did.

There was no reason for it to cause data loss except that Apple designed 
it that way to entrap its customers into using their shitty iCloud 
system.  By the way, there was no indication that it was actually 
syncing.  Six hours to sync a calendar?  Bullshit.  There was zero 
activity happening over my router during almost all of that time.  It 
was clearly a hung or malfunctioning (or really badly designed) process, 
either in the system software involved or at the server end.

>> Generally I am pro-Apple (heck, I have been using Macs exclusively 
>> since 1986) in terms of their product design.  But Apple, along with 
>> Google and the rest of Big Data, has simply become too big for their 
>> boots and now are overreaching in a spectacular fashion.  Backing up 
>> one's data is a good idea for a variety of reasons, but wilfull 
>> destruction of your data by a computer vendor shuld not be a reason 
>> to have to back up.
>
> they don't intentionally destroy data.

Yes, they do.  Try stopping your use of iCloud and see what happens.  
Apple tells you they will delete YOUR data off of YOUR computer if you 
decide not to play with them any more- and they will.  iCloud is not 
merely a backup for your data in the cloud.  iCloud is a transfer of 
ownership of your data to Apple- the same problem as with Google's cloud 
services and other vendors of "cloud computing."  Once they've got their 
hand on your data, they will tell you what you are allowed to do with 
it- cutting them out of the loop is not one of the things you are 
allowed to do.

Had the fuckers not eliminated local syncing of contacts and calendars 
between Mavericks and iOS devices, the use of iCloud would be irrelevant 
to most Mac users.  Make no mistake- as with Google, this situation is 
the result of a deliberate business plan, not a user error.  The only 
error was in trusting that Apple would be honorable; they proved 
otherwise.

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iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-01-18 12:11 -0600
  Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-18 13:18 -0500
    Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2014-01-18 16:38 -0500
      Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:19 -0600
      Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-18 14:28 -0800
        Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2014-01-18 19:45 -0500
          Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-19 00:06 -0500
            Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2014-01-19 20:04 -0500
          Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-01-19 15:29 -0600
            Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 16:43 -0500
              Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 18:14 -0500
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 18:41 -0500
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:50 -0500
              Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-01-19 20:55 -0600
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-19 23:42 -0500
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:23 -0700
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 12:45 -0800
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:21 -0700
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 23:19 -0800
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 02:52 -0500
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-21 01:44 +1300
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-20 08:27 -0700
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 04:00 -0500
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-20 08:33 -0700
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-20 08:51 -0800
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 09:05 +0000
            Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 18:32 -0500
              Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:24 -0700
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 02:14 -0500
                Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-20 08:21 -0700
              Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-20 15:42 -0600
            Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 08:59 +0000
      Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 12:43 -0800
  Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:21 -0800
    Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-18 15:55 -0500
      Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 12:38 -0800
    Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-01-18 16:41 -0600
  Re: iCloud only sync may be the deal killer for me erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:16 -0600

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