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Re: (OT): MacBook Neo

From RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: (OT): MacBook Neo
Date 2026-03-09 20:32 +0000
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On 2026-03-09, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2026-03-09 1:41 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2026-03-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2026-03-08 5:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2026-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
>>>>>> see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
>>>>>> $1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
>>>>>> that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
>>>>>
>>>>> There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops
>>>>> in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the
>>>>> Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows
>>>>> world.
>>>>
>>>> A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11
>>>> computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo
>>>> will catch on.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best
>>>> Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to
>>>> be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
>>>
>>> The Snapdragon CPUs are superior to the A18. Nevertheless, Windows
>>> itself and its third-party applications don't properly support ARM
>>> processors yet. Meanwhile, Apple has already transitioned very
>>> successfully.
>> 
>> I see. BTW, I looked a little closer on this particular laptop and it is
>> definitely a plastic case.
>
> I think that most of us are tired of plastic and how it cracks, chips 
> and breaks around the hinges. The mere fact that the Neos use aluminum 
> will be a selling point for many.

The only thing I don't like about my old MacBook Air's case is that it's 
slick as hell. (Never dropped it yet, but I've come close.) I can see why 
these things have dented up corners. Although the newer MacBooks don't have 
super thin corners anymore, so they probably took that into account.

>>>> Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X
>>>> Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
>>>> Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't
>>>> anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
>>>>
>>>> Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot
>>>> crap.
>>>
>>> The fact that it has the same resolution as the Neo and happens to be
>>> touchscreen might save it. In the end, the true winners are the customers.
>> 
>> It looks like Dell and HP are heavily discounting these computers right now.
>> Maybe the CoPilot + designation turned out to *not* be a selling point. But
>> this particular computer was first released in 2024, so it's probably their
>> way of clearing out the older model. (Although I don't doubt the Apple
>> MacBook Neo has something to do with it also. The $600 price tag doesn't
>> seem to be a coincidence.)
>
> One way or another, the PC manufacturers will have to respond to the Neo 
> and it will involve the Snapdragon processors in some way. However, 
> Microsoft and its third-parties will have to hurry to port their 
> software over to ARM for it to succeed. If they don't, they'll be 
> handing the upper-range and low-range of computers over to Apple. Only 
> gamers will stick to Windows.

I think obnoxious AI everywhere is also hurting Microsoft. If there is only 
going to be two commercial OSes, I would prefer that Microsoft and Apple 
each had somewhere near half of the market, so neither one of them would be a 
monopoly and they would have to compete. Maybe give customers what they 
want. This MacBook Neo seems to be that kind of move from Apple. I'll sit 
back and wait to see what happens.

-- 
Linux Mint Cinnamon 21.3

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(OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 11:20 +0000
  Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 06:27 -0500
    Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-06 22:38 -0800
      Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 09:45 -0500
        Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 15:11 -0800
          Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 18:27 -0500
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 15:34 -0800
              Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 18:41 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 15:42 -0800
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 18:46 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 15:49 -0800
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 18:54 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 16:05 -0800
          Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 09:22 +0000
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-08 09:52 -0500
              Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 05:22 +0000
      Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 09:18 +0000
        Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-08 09:43 -0400
          Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-08 09:53 -0700
          Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 05:14 +0000
  Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 11:29 +0000
  Re: (OT): MacBook Neo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 20:20 +0000
    Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 02:32 +0000
      Re: (OT): MacBook Neo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 05:32 +0000
        Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-06 22:39 -0800
          Re: (OT): MacBook Neo chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-07 09:02 -0600
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 21:50 +0000
              Re: (OT): MacBook Neo chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-08 08:10 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 05:43 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-09 07:20 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 20:23 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 22:28 +0000
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 15:03 -0800
              Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 18:09 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 15:37 -0800
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 09:24 +0000
        Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-08 09:24 -0400
      Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-08 09:18 -0400
        Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 05:46 +0000
  Re: (OT): MacBook Neo chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-07 10:19 -0600
    Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 15:11 -0800
      Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 18:28 -0500
        Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 18:40 -0500
          Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 15:41 -0800
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 18:48 -0500
              Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 15:50 -0800
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 18:57 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 16:07 -0800
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 20:14 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 17:49 -0800
        Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 15:40 -0800
          Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 18:50 -0500
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 16:04 -0800
              Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 20:13 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-07 17:50 -0800
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-03-12 14:10 -0400
              Re: (OT): MacBook Neo chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-12 14:41 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 16:09 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-12 13:56 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 17:08 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-03-13 13:33 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-13 18:43 +0000
    Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 09:33 +0000
      Re: (OT): MacBook Neo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 16:39 +0000
        Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 05:23 +0000
  Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-07 21:55 -0500
    Re: (OT): MacBook Neo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 05:03 +0000
      Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-08 00:59 -0800
      Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 09:54 +0000
        Re: (OT): MacBook Neo pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-03-08 13:11 +0000
          Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-08 10:20 -0400
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 05:35 +0000
          Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 05:31 +0000
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-03-10 00:43 +0000
        Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-08 09:49 -0400
          Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 05:41 +0000
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-09 07:19 -0500
              Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 20:17 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 22:31 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-09 17:53 -0500
            Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-09 10:23 -0400
              Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 20:32 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-09 21:21 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-03-10 02:03 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 04:40 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-10 11:31 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-09 22:41 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-10 13:37 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-10 17:04 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-10 14:13 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-03-11 00:21 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-03-11 00:25 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 20:28 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-03-11 00:39 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-10 17:44 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 13:41 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-11 14:27 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-11 14:13 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-11 13:51 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 17:10 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 20:52 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 21:34 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-10 17:42 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 13:42 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-11 15:31 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 18:41 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 02:11 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-11 20:58 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 00:25 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-03-12 14:10 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-03-13 00:51 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-12 21:19 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-03-13 13:32 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-13 17:43 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-03-13 19:08 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-12 08:52 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-12 12:38 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 20:52 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-12 13:56 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 02:01 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-12 19:19 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 11:37 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-13 11:01 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 23:37 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-13 16:39 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 00:03 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-13 17:38 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 05:11 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-13 23:49 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 02:25 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-14 19:27 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 02:54 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-15 08:13 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-03-15 12:41 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 19:07 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-15 21:00 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 01:54 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-16 09:07 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 17:04 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 19:12 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 15:14 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 05:40 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 19:04 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-15 21:11 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 05:43 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-16 23:00 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-03-15 12:40 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-13 09:10 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 23:36 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 00:58 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-11 09:00 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-10 22:49 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-11 07:02 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-11 15:31 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-11 09:04 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-12 08:21 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-12 09:42 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-12 12:39 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-13 06:57 -0500
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 23:35 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-13 16:41 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 00:01 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-13 17:39 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 05:04 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-13 23:50 -0700
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 02:28 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-03-15 10:05 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 14:07 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-15 14:26 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 14:30 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-16 21:53 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 22:03 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-17 10:06 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 21:07 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-15 21:01 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 05:10 +0000
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-14 08:20 -0400
                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 02:35 +0000
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                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-03-17 13:27 +0000
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                Re: (OT): MacBook Neo CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-18 12:48 -0400
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