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Re: What is the oldest computer that could be used today for real work?

From	Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: What is the oldest computer that could be used today for real work?
Date	2021-09-09 13:08 +0000
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J  Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb:
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 13:06:16 -0000 (UTC), John Goerzen
><jgoerzen@complete.org> wrote:
>
>>On 2021-09-07, J  Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>https://governor.kansas.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/GintherTaxCouncilKDOT.pdf
>>>>hints that it may be an IBM System 370/Model 145.
>>>
>>> I'd be very surprised if it actually was.  When did IBM end
>>> maintenance on those?
>>
>>I have no more information, other than that link claims "The Kansas UI System
>>runs on a Mainframe that was installed in 1977."
>>
>>Is it possible the hardware was upgraded to something that can emulate the
>>370/145, and that difference was lost on a non-technical author?  Sure.
>
> A brand new Z can emulate the 370/145.  So can my Raspberry Pi if I
> don't expect any performance.

Surely, a higher performance than the original?  Bitsavers claims that

"The Model 145 has a variable-length CPU cycle time. Cycle times of
202.5, 247.5, 292.5, and 315 nanoseconds are implemented. The time
required for the CPU to perform operations is made up of combinations of
these cycles. The CPU fetches instructions from processor storage a
doubleword at a time, while data accesses, both fetches and stores, are
made on a word basis. Eight instruction bytes or four data bytes can be
fetched by the CPU in 540 nanoseconds."

Variable-length CPU cycle time sounds strange, but the clock ran at
somewhere between 3.2 and 5 MZh.  Not sure what sort of Pi you
have, but even a 700 MHz ARMv6 should be able to run rings around
that old machine in emulation with a factor of more than 100 in
CPU cycle time.

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