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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.os.linux |
| Subject | Re: What's the best linux distro? |
| Date | 2021-08-30 08:02 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <sgihdk$u1r$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes: > Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes: > >> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes: >>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes: >>>> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes: >>>>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes: >>>>>>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>>>> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes: >>>>>>>>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>>>>>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> writes: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I never said systemd is easy to understand. It would be a lie. But >>>>>>>>>>> saying SysV is easy would be a lie too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Funny you should say systemd is not easy to understand. I can't >>>>>>>>>> imagine a simpler system. One file type for configuration with the >>>>>>>>>> simplest syntax possible, and just a few keywords to know about. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A simple config file syntax doesn’t make a system easy to understand. >>>>>>>>> There are thousands of lines of man pages containing over 160 options, >>>>>>>>> with an implementation exceeding half a million lines of C. It’s not >>>>>>>>> badly documented, but it’s a complex system and it’s silly to pretend >>>>>>>>> there’s no learning curve here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Where is the user interface? With initd, it's that pile of scripts, >>>>>>>> each one a custom creation and a forest of symbolic links. >>>>>>>> Where is the learning curve compared to systemd's simple config file >>>>>>>> syntax? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no idea why you’re focussing on the config file syntax, since >>>>>>> there’s a lot more to systemd (or any nontrivial init) than that. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the only visible user interface. >>>>> >>>>> systemd.syntax is tiny indeed, but if that’s all someone reads they will >>>>> still have no idea how to write or interpret a unit file. >>>> >>>> "No idea"? Hardly. >>>> Have you looked? >>> >>> Yes, I have written a number. >>> >>>> They seem pretty straight forward to me. >>> >>> Go on then, explain how to write a unit file that actually does >>> something useful, using only information in `man systemd.syntax`. >> >> Here is the existing emacs.service file on my system: >> >> [Unit] >> Description=Emacs: the extensible, self-documenting text editor >> >> [Service] >> Type=forking >> ExecStart=/usr/bin/emacs --daemon >> ExecStop=/usr/bin/emacsclient --eval "(kill-emacs)" >> Restart=always >> >> [Install] >> WantedBy=default.target >> >> If I wanted to add arguments to emacs I'd change the ExecStart line. >> >> No reference to the man page is required. > > Cargo-culting one example is a bit different to understanding the > system. If you wanted to do anything even slightly different you’d need > to read the manual. Which isn’t unreasonable, but it’s a long way beyond > knowing the config file surface syntax. I was asked for an example, I gave it. Not enough for you? I'm wasting my time. Cargo cult: A cargo cult is an indigenist millenarian belief system in which adherents perform rituals which they believe will cause a more technologically advanced society to deliver goods. WTF? -- Dan Espen
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Re: What's the best linux distro? F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-23 23:04 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-24 03:13 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-24 14:19 +0100
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Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 16:53 +0100
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Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 10:18 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-25 11:56 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 12:10 +0100
Re: X-post and follow-Up (Was: What's the best linux distro?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-26 11:33 +0200
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Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 13:10 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-25 14:36 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-25 08:53 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-25 15:13 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 14:31 +0100
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Re: What's the best linux distro? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-26 20:57 +0000
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Re: What's the best linux distro? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-26 20:53 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:01 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-25 08:23 -0700
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-25 12:21 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-27 01:54 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-28 12:51 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-28 11:40 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-28 17:39 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-28 14:25 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-28 23:08 +0200
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Re: What's the best linux distro? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2021-08-29 16:09 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 14:27 +0100
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Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 18:44 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-25 20:15 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com> - 2021-08-26 05:19 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-26 11:40 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-25 12:07 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-25 12:10 -0400
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Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-28 11:39 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-29 11:05 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-29 07:06 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-29 12:50 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-29 08:07 -0400
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Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-30 01:10 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-29 20:18 -0400
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Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-29 15:43 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-29 11:41 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 09:09 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 09:49 +0100
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Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-29 15:16 +0100
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Re: What's the best linux distro? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-26 21:12 +0000
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