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Re: Installing a MINIMAL Mate Desktop How?

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On 9/11/2016 9:14 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 11 Sep 2016 at 06:47:23 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> When Squeeze was the latest I was able to install without any desktop.
>> I would then do
>>     apt-get install gnome-session gdm3 gedit gnome-terminal gparted
>> The result was a nice uncluttered desktop to which I could add what *I*
>> needed rather than what the proverbial "everybody" should have ;)
>
> gnome-session pulls in xserver-org-video-all and installs it on the
> *same* machine. Graphical programs like gnome-terminal and gedit run on
> the *same* machine as the X server runs on and will display an output
> there. This is a very common situation but it does not have to be like
> that.
>
> An X server runs and produces an output on the machine you are sitting
> in front of. Programs like gedit could be on a *different* machine. This
> is just as valid a setup as the "common" one. It implies that such
> things as, for example, window manager packages do not depend on an X
> server being installed.

I think I follow the point you are trying to make.
Just to be clear, everything *I* do is on a standalone machine [a 
laptop].

>
>> According to http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download#debian I should be able
>> to do
>>     apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core
>>
>> That is not enough, it leaves me with only a command line.
>
> You got what was promised - a minimal mate install. You need an X server
> on that machine or another one if you want other than the command line.

Whether or not it qualifies as an "install" or not is a matter of 
definition/perspective. A few years ago I thinking about a 
possible Debian Pure Blend aimed at the bandwidth challenged - at 
the time I was on dialup. Someone suggested  "Desert Island 
Swirl" as a working title. That would fit my perspective on how 
an installer should interact with a user. The user could be 
described as one person, with one computer and one stack of DVD's.

>
>> I have the full Mate desktop on one machine. Using Synaptic on that machine
>> and using apt-get install **** on the other I was able too identify some
>> missing pieces.
>>
>> "apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core" does not install marco,
>> xorg, xterm, nor lightdm. My brute force diagnostic procedure was to install
>> each of them in the order listed with a reboot in between to see if
>> everything worked. It did not. After installing each of the 1st three I was
>> left at the command line. After installing lightdm I was presented with a
>> blank screen.
>
> mate-desktop-environment-core depends on marco. There is something
> seriously wrong if it was not installed.

Huumm I see another test install in my future as it is listed as 
such in the packages file for the DVD I installed from.

>
> xorg isn't required to be on the same machine as mate; that is why it
> was not installed. mate-terminal does the same job as xterm. The mate
> maintainers might have decided not have a DM as a depended on or
> recommended package.
>

While waiting for response(s) to my my post I installed marco, 
xorg, xterm, mate-terminal, mate-panel, mate-session-manager and 
lightdm.

I now have a workable, if ugly *MINIMAL* install. !!!! ;)
Now to find some decorative elements and chose the applications I 
want.

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Installing a MINIMAL Mate Desktop How? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-09-11 13:50 +0200
  Re: Installing a MINIMAL Mate Desktop How? mo <mo777@gmx.net> - 2016-09-11 14:30 +0200
  Re: Installing a MINIMAL Mate Desktop How? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-11 16:20 +0200
    Re: Installing a MINIMAL Mate Desktop How? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-09-11 17:10 +0200
      Re: Installing a MINIMAL Mate Desktop How? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-09-11 18:40 +0200
      Re: Installing a MINIMAL Mate Desktop How? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-11 20:00 +0200
        Re: Installing a MINIMAL Mate Desktop How? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-09-19 15:20 +0200
          Re: Installing a MINIMAL Mate Desktop How? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-19 16:20 +0200
  Re: Installing a MINIMAL Mate Desktop How? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-09-11 18:50 +0200
    Re: Installing a MINIMAL Mate Desktop How? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-09-11 19:00 +0200

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