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Re: OT: Conservative sexism

From	owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject	Re: OT: Conservative sexism
Date	2015-11-04 20:47 +0000
Organization	O.W.L.
Message-ID	<sfh49af.ki@rooftop.invalid> (permalink)
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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 11/4/15, 1:28 PM, in article sfhje8.a0fe@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:14:30 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
>>>> <http://www.alternet.org/node/1045174>
>>>> 
>>>> You can whine about the source - after all it is liberal no doubt - but the
>>>> quotes are all pretty easy to verify.
>>>> 
>>>> And he is not some side show to the US conservative movement - he is one of
>>>> the top two candidates they have for president.
>>> 
>>> Right... like the entire political machine hasn't turned into a sideshow.
>>> Seen the most recent Dem debate? I thought I was watching a rerun of that ol'
>>> gem 'Hillary loves Bernie', it was actually embarrassing.
>> 
>> Have you seen her recent ad where she lies about gun statistics by
>> including suicides as part of "killed by guns" thereby tripling the
>> number?  Of course bobble-heads in her audience just go right along
>> with it.
> 
> By all means point a link to it. Have not seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Dn-4LDUw4
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/03/hillary-clintons-gun-control-ad-swells-gun-violence-number-66-percent-including-suicides/

> But if you kill yourself
> with a gun you have been killed with a gun... so not sure what your point is
> in saying that should not be counted in a death-by-gun statistic.
>

Because the suicides were not something that just happened to the persons.
They chose to kill themselves.  They were not victims of violence.

<quote>
For instance, in 2013, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
(CDC) reported 11,208 firearm-related homicides in the United States. An
additional 505 accidental firearm-related deaths occurred in the US???a
figure that pales in comparison to the 38,851 deaths by accidental
poisoning or the 30,208 deaths caused by falls. So Clinton and gun
control proponents who think like her increase these figures by adding
in suicides. In this way, 11,713 firearm-related deaths???homicides and
accidental deaths???quickly become 32,888 ???gun violence??? deaths in
2013 and an impetus for gun control.
</quote>
 
> Now we can argue the value of such a statistic at all, but from how YOU
> present it, it sounds as if she is being honest. She might use it in a
> dishonest way, though. Would not surprise me. Clinton is not an honest
> person by a long shot - and I do not mean just the normal level of lying
> that pretty much all people do, or even the higher level that politicians
> do, but even more than that. Maybe not to the same level as the current top
> Republicans, but still impossible to defend.
> 

What "top Republican" lies are you talking about?

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Re: OT: Conservative sexism Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 12:17 -0800
  Re: OT: Conservative sexism owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:28 +0000
    Re: OT: Conservative sexism Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 15:42 -0500
      Re: OT: Conservative sexism Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-04 17:35 -0500
        Re: OT: Conservative sexism Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 17:38 -0500
        Re: OT: Conservative sexism Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-05 09:30 -0500
          Re: OT: Conservative sexism Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-05 09:39 -0500
          Re: OT: Conservative sexism Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-05 09:30 -0700
            Re: OT: Conservative sexism Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 11:47 -0800
    Re: OT: Conservative sexism owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 20:47 +0000
      Re: OT: Conservative sexism owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-04 21:57 +0000
        Re: OT: Conservative sexism Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 16:59 -0500
        Re: OT: Conservative sexism owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-05 04:06 +0000
          Re: OT: Conservative sexism Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 20:10 -0800
          Re: OT: Conservative sexism owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-05 04:33 +0000
            Re: OT: Conservative sexism owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-05 04:51 +0000
              Re: OT: Conservative sexism owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-05 05:31 +0000
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 21:41 -0800
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-05 18:51 +0000
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-05 12:18 -0700
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-05 19:24 +0000
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-05 12:44 -0700
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 12:32 -0800
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-05 15:19 -0600
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 13:54 -0800
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 16:38 -0700
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 15:48 -0800
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 19:52 -0700
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 19:51 -0700
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-06 22:28 -0700
                Re: OT: Conservative sexism GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-11-07 12:45 -0700
              Re: OT: Conservative sexism Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 21:36 -0800
      Re: OT: Conservative sexism Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 14:53 -0800

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