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Re: Any Unicode Experts?

From	FR <fr@random.info>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.os.linux, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Any Unicode Experts?
Followup-To	comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date	2021-08-06 15:01 +0000
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 14:51:25 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 14:39:50 +0000, FR wrote:
> 
> [opinions ellided]
> 
>> But what happened to the first 32 bytes of UTF-8?  Obviously
>> LF and CR are still there, but have the former control codes
>> been replaced by other, and more meaningful, code points?
> 
> See  https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0000.pdf
> Also https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0080.pdf
> 
>> As far as I know, the first 32 bytes (except CR and LF) are
>> just dead space.  Is this correct?
> 
> Not in the least.
>

A comprehensive answer is here:

https://www.aivosto.com/articles/control-characters.html

To preserve the integrity of conversions and interchange,
the control codes remain.

However, the semantics of the control codes are reserved
to applications.

So the control codes are in a kind of limbo.  They have
only an application-specific meaning but in the absence
of an application they are to be interpreted according
to  ISO/IEC 6429:1992. (Unicode 9.0 p. 822)

Thread

Any Unicode Experts? FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 14:39 +0000
  Re: Any Unicode Experts? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2021-08-06 14:51 +0000
    Re: Any Unicode Experts? FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 15:01 +0000
  Re: Any Unicode Experts? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2021-08-06 14:54 +0000
  US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-08-06 08:15 -0700
    Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2021-08-06 17:36 +0200
      Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 15:49 +0000
        Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2021-08-06 16:14 +0000
        Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2021-08-06 18:48 +0200
        Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-06 17:25 +0000
          Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 17:52 +0000
          Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 17:57 +0000
  Re: Any Unicode Experts? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-08-06 20:27 +0000
    Re: Any Unicode Experts? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-07 09:36 +0100
      Re: Any Unicode Experts? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 04:41 -0700
      Re: Any Unicode Experts? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-08-08 04:32 +0000
        Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-07 22:50 -0600
          Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-08 20:32 +0200
            Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-08 18:00 -0600
              "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-08-08 18:11 -0700
                Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-08 22:19 -0600
                Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-08-16 16:06 +0200
                Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 18:02 +0200
                while(malloc(666)); Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-08-10 09:28 -0700
                Re: while(malloc(666)); jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 18:39 +0200
                Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. Smit <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-10 20:53 -0700
              Re: Any Unicode Experts? Stephen Carrolll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-08 18:56 -0700
              Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-09 07:28 +0200
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-09 07:56 -0600
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Dustin the dude with the stuck floppy <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-09 20:49 -0700
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 10:33 +0200
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-10 12:49 +0100
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 15:26 +0200
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2021-08-10 13:43 +0000
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-10 21:12 -0600
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-11 12:25 +0100
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-11 16:52 +0000
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-11 20:19 +0200
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-12 16:37 +0000
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-12 20:32 +0200
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-12 20:40 -0600
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Dustin who does stuff with miceless computers <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-13 06:19 -0700
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? STALKING_TARGET_02 <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-13 03:41 -0700
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-10 16:11 -0400
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2021-08-09 11:32 -0400
  Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-06 18:19 -0600
  Re: Any Unicode Experts? Delimited <tabz334@rozlnk.net> - 2021-08-08 00:21 -0400
    Re: Any Unicode Experts? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2021-08-08 00:29 -0400
    Re: Any Unicode Experts? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-08 16:20 +0000
    Re: Any Unicode Experts? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-08 16:28 +0000

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