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Re: Chip shortage--use relays

From	Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: Chip shortage--use relays
Date	2021-07-18 01:53 -0500
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 7/17/2021 9:06 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 1:51:39 PM UTC-6, Questor wrote:
> 
>> Those vent windows were notoriously easy to force open, which in turn made it
>> easy to snake something through them and open the door. There's a good reason
>> why cars no longer have them -- they facilitated auto break-ins and theft.
> 
> Surely the design could have been modified so that it would be impossible to force
> them open without either breaking the glass or ripping off the metal of the door?
> 
> But in any case, that's not a good reason. Surely the appropriate solution to a
> problem like that, which imposes the costs where they belong - on dishonest
> automobile thieves, not honest car owners - would be to increase penalties for
> car theft so that those penalties would work as a successful deterrent.
> 
> We haven't had any nuclear wars, so what I mean by a "successful deterrent" is
> one that results in us not having any car thefts for a similar length of time.
> 
> Of course, perhaps one stupid person will have to steal a car, so that people can
> actually see the penalty carried out for it to have the required emotional impact
> to achieve the desired result.
> 
> Of course, there's that pesky Eighth Amendment...
> 
> John Savard
> 
I expect the real reason was to save the manufacturer money. Several 
parts (divider strip, weatherstripping, glass, hinges) plus the labor 
to install them, all at a cost beyond just having a slightly bigger 
piece of window glass. There is probably a tiny aerodynamic 
disadvantage to vent windows as well (less smooth), for that extra 
0.01 mpg gain..

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Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-07 12:28 -0700
  Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-07-07 20:48 +0100
    Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-07 16:40 -0400
      Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-13 15:25 -0700
      Re: Chip shortage--use relays antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2021-07-13 23:28 +0000
        Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-14 00:22 +0000
          Re: Chip shortage--use relays Freddy1X <freddy1X@indyX.netX> - 2021-07-13 21:00 -0400
          Re: Chip shortage--use relays Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-07-14 02:41 -0300
            Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-14 05:57 -0400
        Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-14 18:53 -0400
  Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-07 20:42 +0100
    Re: Chip shortage--use relays Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-07-07 23:25 -0700
      Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-13 15:23 -0700
        Re: Chip shortage--use relays Robert Netzlof <rnetzlof@gmail.com> - 2021-07-14 12:43 -0700
          Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-16 11:10 -0700
  Re: Chip shortage--use relays antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2021-07-13 23:17 +0000
    Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-13 19:28 -0400
      Re: Chip shortage--use relays antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2021-07-14 11:33 +0000
    Re: Chip shortage--use relays gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-14 13:06 +0100
    Re: Chip shortage--use relays drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-08-17 12:47 -0500
      Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-08-17 20:27 +0100
  Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-14 10:12 -0700
    Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-14 19:29 +0100
    Re: Chip shortage--use relays Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-14 18:40 +0000
      Re: Chip shortage--use relays Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-07-14 16:47 -0300
        Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-14 18:18 -0700
          Re: Chip shortage--use relays Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-07-16 02:26 -0300
        Re: Chip shortage--use relays greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-07-15 19:36 +0000
      Re: Chip shortage--use relays "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-ugr-this> - 2021-07-15 07:27 -0700
        Re: Chip shortage--use relays Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-15 14:04 -0700
          Re: Chip shortage--use relays Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-16 00:00 +0000
            Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-15 20:43 -0400
              Re: Chip shortage--use relays Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-16 10:56 -0700
            Re: Chip shortage--use relays songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-07-15 20:46 -0400
            Re: Chip shortage--use relays Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-07-16 02:53 -0300
              Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-16 08:08 -0400
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-16 13:20 +0100
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-16 16:27 -0400
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-16 16:32 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-16 16:49 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-07-16 19:14 -0400
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-16 11:54 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-16 22:40 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-07-16 17:28 -0300
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-16 22:40 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-20 11:41 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-odi-this> - 2021-07-17 07:18 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-16 10:56 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-16 11:51 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-07-16 19:51 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-17 07:06 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-17 14:42 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-17 17:29 +0100
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-07-18 07:52 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-20 11:47 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-20 20:13 +0100
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-07-17 20:39 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-18 06:28 +0100
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-18 07:46 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-18 07:45 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 11:15 -0400
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 11:18 -0400
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 14:08 -0400
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-07-18 19:41 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 16:08 -0400
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 16:43 -0400
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-18 23:19 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-r25-this> - 2021-07-19 08:26 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-19 16:50 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-19 18:13 +0100
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-19 18:51 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-07-20 18:05 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-f2b-this> - 2021-07-20 07:36 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-20 16:17 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-19 20:13 +0000
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-18 16:30 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-07-18 01:53 -0500
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2021-07-18 08:25 -0600
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-20 11:45 -0700
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-07-21 17:30 -0500
                Re: Chip shortage--use relays greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-07-22 10:46 +0000
      Re: Chip shortage--use relays Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2021-07-15 11:09 -0700
        Re: Chip shortage--use relays cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2021-07-15 22:07 -0500
      Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-16 11:09 -0700
        Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-16 17:25 -0400
          Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-17 07:09 -0700
            Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-17 07:11 -0700
            Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-17 11:48 -0400
      Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-20 11:52 -0700
    Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-16 11:49 -0700
  Re: Chip shortage--use relays John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-07-16 01:51 +0000

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