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Re: [OT]: May Day

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On 03.05.2016 16:34, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 May 2016 14:22:26 Piyavkin wrote:
>> On 03.05.2016 02:21, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>> …
>>> So it is all a bit circular!!  But I find the concepts of "International
>>> Workers Day" and "the proletariat" intrinsically unpleasant.  I am in
>>> sympathy with Eric Blair (aka George Orwell).  It is as wrong to murder
>>> someone for being an aristo as it is to murder him for being a peasant.
>> Oh, my!..
>>
>>
>> I've sent Hello and best wishes on occasion to fellow people. All that
>> was about expression of solidarity. And intended to be lean and short,
>> like: a) have a nice day! b) have a nice day too; c) done. In case
>> someone may be irritated by relatively irrelevant posts or just not
>> interested the topic was marked as [OT] for filtering purposes (Subject
>>
>> : contains : [OT] --> Delete from POP Server).
>>
>> I've received 2 types of responses:
>> 1. People have sent their best wishes to me in return (mostly in
>> private, because many are already too terrorized to express their
>> opinion openly).
>> 2. Some others on the basis of «deep» linguistic analysis have detected
>> here some presence of Nazi and, out of a blue, bloody intention to
>> murder (by best wishes, I guess).
>>
>> What's wrong with you, guys?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dmitry Piyavkin
> That was sent off-list and should not have been quoted here.  Presumably Dan
> forwarded it to you.

No, the letter have came from list:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/05/msg00138.html

> Solidarity?  With whom?  Oh, yes, The Workers.

I've explicitly explained with whom. Twice. It was utterly innocent and 
unoffending. And I'm amazed how you guys found pretext to turn that 
small topic into a flame.

So, working people are now kind of terrorists, huh?

> Read the history of the French Revolution.  Or the Stalinist purges.

Lisi, do it yourself, please. French Revolution was bourgeois one. So 
capitalists should pay the bill, I guess.

And what kind of logic is it? So, if colonial Europe had performed all 
those uncountable atrocities all over the world and gave birth to 
Fascism we now should treat Europeans as spawns of evil?

>
> Politics does not belong here,

Yeah, but you do it regularly. Discussing, by example, politcorrect 
forms of addressing audience with proper gender connotations.
I personally have nothing against it or against other touch of OT 
subjects (like movies, personal stories, etc.). There is no human 
interaction without human part in it. The FOSS as itself has significant 
political dimension. Why we shouldn't discuss it?

So, I guess the problem is not in the politics as itself. The problem is 
in intolerance to other's opinion and desire to silence it under any 
ostensible pretexts (politics as a dirty and unmentionable subject). 
Mainstream propaganda encourage the sectarian attitude to neutralize p2p 
communications while they have full control over mass media. So the 
people which opinion differs from PoV of Ministry of Truth should be 
isolated, marginalized, express their views only somewhere in closed 
underground communities and publicly be in shame as some perverts, as if 
that are them who's starting wars, keeping their hands deep in other's 
pockets, buying elections and parliaments, lobbying laws, polluting 
lands, financing military contractors whose hostile actions devastate 
whole regions with results in hundreds of thousands dead and in millions 
displaced as refugees (and doing so they are even pointing fingers at 
century old Stalin, bah!), etc.

The thread was auto-extinguishing by its nature and explicitly marked as 
off-topic. You might easily ignore it if you don't share the opinion, 
you might easily filter it in your mail client. And it would be finished 
in 2 days with a few replies and then be silently removed as outdated 
OT. No, you've found funny linguistic excuses for phony accusations, 
blown the flame about nothing, just to cry in the end «Enough already!» 
Why? Because you fear that other people are… well… not so smart and 
sharp as you are, they may fall for treacherous speeches of some 
tempting snake, and should be protected at any cost. Constant vigilance! 
We're on a mission.

Please, give the people to decide by themselves. People are not stupid. 
If subject rise no interest, it will be ignored,  will die by itself, 
and never be repeated again.


[!] Here I stop and quit all the Nazi, Stalin, innovative politic 
linguistics and all the crap, which I didn't intend to mention at all. 
Please, start your own thread for that. Or follow your own advice and 
stop the insinuations.

> but nor do ad hominem attacks.
>

What attacks? Whom attacking whom? If you feel that I'm attacking you 
(but not your actions), I sincerely apologise and will never do that again.

What you, guys, are even doing in the thread if you believe that wishing 
best each other and expressing solidarity with fellow people means 
divisiveness, call to a murder, and all the horrible things you called 
it? It's ridiculous.



Best regards,
Dmitry Piyavkin

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[OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 20:50 +0200
  Re: [OT]: May Day Hans Vogelsberger <li.vog@schwaz.net> - 2016-05-01 14:40 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-05-01 15:10 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 15:30 +0200
      Re: [OT]: May Day Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2016-05-01 18:20 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 19:10 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 19:20 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 19:50 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 20:00 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 01:30 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 15:30 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-03 15:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 15:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Glenn Holmer <cenbe@kolabnow.com> - 2016-05-03 15:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 18:30 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 20:10 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-05-01 20:20 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 21:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 22:00 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 23:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-02 00:00 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:20 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day Haines Brown <haines@histomat.net> - 2016-05-01 20:30 +0200
      Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:20 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-05-02 18:10 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 20:20 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-05-02 21:10 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:10 +0200
      Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:20 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 19:40 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-02 19:50 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 20:40 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-02 22:00 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-02 20:30 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-02 22:00 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-03 01:00 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-03 15:10 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 15:30 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-03 20:40 +0200

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