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Re: AI and decompilation?

From Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Subject Re: AI and decompilation?
Date 2021-01-09 23:48 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 16:54:20 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 19:20:21 -0000 (UTC), Martin Gregorie
> <martin@mydomain.invalid> declaimed the following:
> 
>>Depends what the program is: Hello World in Java is 419 bytes (the C
>>version is 19554 bytes and the source is smaller too (21 lines, 147
>>chars vs 26 lines, 282 chars) and anyway I like the WORA principle
>>
>>
> 	And how big is the byte-code interpreter/JVM needed to /run/ that 
Java
> example? Vs the directly executable C program?

The JVM loadable is 18376 bytes, so not exactly huge, but I don't know 
how much, if any, dynamically loaded support code it drags in. But note 
that this is smaller than the hello world program when compiled by the 
current GCC compiler and statically linked.

But, as I said elsewhere a moderate sized graphical Java program (4000 
lines of source code, not counting comments) that I wrote using the Swing 
GUI occupies 1.3 GB after loading a typical working data set (6 6 month-
long rosters with 14 rosterable duties per day.

However, I should hardly need to remind you that C and C++ programs 
aren't always exactly economical when it comes to load size: I remember 
looking at this a long time back when Borland compilers were still a 
thing. IIRC 'hello world' in ANSI C compiled to several 10s of Kbytes and 
the C++ version compiled to 800Kb using the then current version of 
Borland's finest.





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