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Re: Will raspberry get ECC support?

From The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Subject Re: Will raspberry get ECC support?
Date 2021-01-09 14:55 +0000
Organization A little, after lunch
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On 09/01/2021 14:19, A. Dumas wrote:
> Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Later ... we had the Chernobyl fallout, and where I worked the filters in
>> the aircos were hot (radiation) and had to be properly disposed.
>> That made me want to measure things, by that time I lost my nuculear fear btw,
>> But nobody died, vegetables in your garden you were not recommended to eat.
> 
>  From "Int. J. Cancer: 119, 1224–1235 (2006)" via
> https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/44334601/Estimates_of_the_cancer_burden_in_Europe20160402-19341-ugwo1h.pdf
> 
> "The risk projections suggest that by now Chernobyl may have caused about
> 1,000 cases of thyroid cancer and 4,000 cases of other cancers in Europe,
> representing about 0.01% of all incident cancers since the accident. Models
> pre- dict that by 2065 about 16,000 (95% UI 3,400–72,000) cases of thy-
> roid cancer and 25,000 (95% UI 11,000–59,000) cases of other can- cers may
> be expected due to radiation from the accident, whereas several hundred
> million cancer cases are expected from other causes. Although these
> estimates are subject to considerable uncertainty, they provide an
> indication of the order of magnitude of the possible impact of the
> Chernobyl accident. It is unlikely that the cancer bur- den from the
> largest radiological accident to date could be detected by monitoring
> national cancer statistics. Indeed, results of analyses of time trends in
> cancer incidence and mortality in Europe do not, at present, indicate any
> increase in cancer rates—other than of thyroid cancer in the most
> contaminated regions—that can be clearly attributed to radiation from the
> Chernobyl accident."
> 
Well yes, the 'risk projections' is a mealy mouthed way of saying 
'models based on assumptions'

At least the conclusions is 'too small to be reliably measured'

And what assumptions? LNT?

Almost certainly because no one else has really come up with anything 
more accurate. We know LNT is between 100 and 1000 times too 
pessimistic, at any elevated dose levels and the truth is that peak 
dosage is far more important than cumulative chronic low level dosage.

Exclusion zone at Chernobyl is quite low - there are hot spots but 
mostly its in the 20-50mSv/y level. Ramsar in Iran has a background of 
50-200mSv/y. It has a lightly *lower* cancer rate than average. (it's 
not statistically significant IIRC)

The key to cellular mutations seems to be to get enough radiation to 
cause BOTH strands of DNA to mutate identically before  the cell dies. 
That a very slender chance at low dosages.

If you get radiotherapy *enough radiation to kill you* if applied whole 
body is given. Several Sv in a short time. There is a 15% increased 
chance of unrelated cancers developing as a result.

And that's it. a few people died at Hiroshima  from radiation induced 
cancers a few years later, but the majority of people died then and 
there from blast and incineration or in the next few weeks from massive 
radiation exposure. Hiroshima was never cleaned up, and its a healthy 
place to live now.





-- 
"When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

Josef Stalin

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  Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-07 14:49 +0000
  Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2021-01-07 16:37 +0000
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        Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-09 09:24 +0000
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