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| From | "zfkirone@gmail.com" <zfkirone@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | it.comp.retrocomputing |
| Subject | Rise and Fall of RISC :D |
| Date | 2020-11-04 00:14 +0100 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <rnso7q$1usg$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
Tra i commenti di un articolo, ho trovato questa testimonianza: «Yeah, I think he's misremembering the 90s. I worked at HP at the time. Not only did the killer micros do a "good enough" job, they knocked the socks off anything we could produce ourselves. The creamed us. Here's a little history. HP had 68k workstations (the HP 9000/300 line) and we had PA-RISC timeshares (HP 9000/800 line). Sun, SGI, and IBM came out with RISC based Unix workstations and we bought Apollo. The Apollo guys helped us bang out the Snakes systems, HP 900/700 systems with crazy fast PA-RISC CPUs, running an a mind blowing 50 and 66 MHz. Wow, don't use it all in one spot. For comparison, a fast x86 at the time was around 10-12 MHz. Clearly RISC was the faster architecture. Intel didn't sit still. They kept cranking the clock rates of x86, adopting a RISC core below a hardware (!) x86 instruction translator. Wow. Just wow. The RISC vendors did the same and managed to keep a shrinking performance lead. HP launched a moon shot, the Tahoe program which turned into Itanium. This was a superscalar processor and initial projections were it was going to ship around 1997 at a blazing 500 MHz! Other processors at the time of the announcement were in the 100-150 MHz range so that was a pretty huge performance jump. Then Intel and AMD got into a clock rate war. They poured enormous amounts of cash into building new fabs and improving their designs. Turns out a few billion dollars beats a better architecture. We all know how this ended. The killer micros with enormous investment got better much faster than RISC systems did. By the early 2000's it was clear x86 beat every RISC processor both in raw performance and price performance. And that's when all the RISC architectures petered out. It's not that people had anything against them, it's not that the market was too small, the market entirely went away. There was nothing you could do with a Sun workstation you couldn't do better and cheaper with a stock PC running Linux or Windows. Literally nothing. To use examples from TFA, want a JTAG interface? Plug it into a PCI slot or USB port. Want a FPGA? PCI slot. Visualization? Latest graphics card from Nvidia or ATI. TFA is right, we don't buy a system and go to the App store to see what it can do. We still start with an app and pick a system to run it. It's just that today, the market has consolidated to basically Windows, Linux, OSX, and The Cloud. There's a lot of stuff available on all three desktops (e.g. all the cloud apps). Some stuff is still specific to one OS or the other. People are savvy enough to pick the one they want and that will blow the socks off what the author nostalgically remembers from 2000.» fonte: https://it.slashdot.org/story/20/11/03/1512208/the-untimely-demise-of-workstations#comments CYA
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Rise and Fall of RISC :D "zfkirone@gmail.com" <zfkirone@gmail.com> - 2020-11-04 00:14 +0100 Re: Rise and Fall of RISC :D Ammammata <ammammata@tiscalinet.it> - 2020-11-06 07:31 +0000
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