Re: What's new in C?

From	"BartC" <bc@freeuk.com>
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Subject	Re: What's new in C?
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Date	2012-12-08 20:25 +0000

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"Jorgen Grahn" <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 2012-12-08, BartC wrote:

>> I've this discussed this here before I think. My arguments weren't 
>> received
>> well then either!
>
> Why the "either"?  I have so far just requested to hear them.

Sorry. I assumed the same people who argued for the feature then, 
would still have the same views.

>> Searching for a declaration for an identifer, instead of looking at the 
>> top
>> of the function, it means searching up line-by-line counting blocks, 
>> since
>> it will now be hidden in a mass of code somewhere.
>
> OK, I see now we are talking about different things.  I was talking
> about the C99 feature disliked by Linus Torvalds, but you also don't
> like the K&R feature which lets you declare variables at the beginning
> of a block.  To avoid confusion, I will not enter that second
> discussion.

You mean, declarations don't  even need to be at the start of a block now?

Then it's worse than I thought!

In that case most of my arguments apply doubly.

>> From an implementation point of view, it creates extra difficulties.

> It's a bit of a moot point though, isn't it?  C compilers have AFAIK
> handled this since the early 1970s.

Maybe. It was still unnecessary in my opinion. 99% of time you're using 
begin..end, {...} or whatever, simply because there is more than one 
statement, nothing more.

-- 
Bartc

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  Re: What's new in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-11-28 19:15 -0800
    Re: What's new in C? Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> - 2012-12-06 02:43 -0700
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                Re: What's new in C? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-30 22:36 +0000
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                Re: What's new in C? Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> - 2012-12-06 02:06 -0700
                Re: What's new in C? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-12-06 07:50 -0500
                Re: What's new in C? JohnF <john@please.see.sig.for.email.com> - 2012-12-06 13:46 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-12-06 09:39 -0500
              Re: What's new in C? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-11-30 15:52 -0500
                Re: What's new in C? Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> - 2012-12-04 01:53 -0700
                Re: What's new in C? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-04 08:16 -0500
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                Re: What's new in C? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-04 18:04 -0500
                Re: What's new in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-12-05 01:19 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-04 21:05 -0500
                Re: What's new in C? Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-12-05 16:45 +0100
                Re: What's new in C? Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> - 2012-12-06 01:45 -0700
                Re: What's new in C? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-12-06 08:12 -0500
                Re: What's new in C? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-12-06 21:13 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-06 09:15 -0500
                Re: What's new in C? Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> - 2012-12-12 18:28 -0700
        Re: What's new in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-11-30 11:22 -0800
          Re: What's new in C? Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> - 2012-12-04 03:04 -0700
  Re: What's new in C? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-11-29 18:19 +0000
    Re: What's new in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-11-29 11:41 -0800
  Re: What's new in C? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-11-30 20:50 +0000
    Re: What's new in C? Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-11-30 23:35 +0100
      Re: What's new in C? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-12-05 03:26 +0000
        Re: What's new in C? gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 23:49 -0800
          Re: What's new in C? Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> - 2012-12-06 01:49 -0700
          Re: What's new in C? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-12-08 07:55 +0000
            Re: What's new in C? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-12-08 13:29 +0000
              Re: What's new in C? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-12-08 15:23 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2012-12-08 17:46 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-12-08 10:45 -0800
                Re: What's new in C? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-12-08 19:32 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-12-08 18:55 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-09 08:26 +1300
                Re: What's new in C? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-12-08 20:12 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-09 09:18 +1300
                Re: What's new in C? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-12-08 21:21 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-09 10:27 +1300
                Re: What's new in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-12-08 13:36 -0800
                Re: What's new in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-12-08 12:59 -0800
                Re: What's new in C? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-12-08 22:10 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-12-08 16:15 -0800
                Re: What's new in C? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-09 14:23 +1300
                Re: What's new in C? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-09 14:20 +1300
                Re: What's new in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-12-08 11:32 -0800
                Re: What's new in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-12-09 02:52 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-12-09 02:53 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-12-08 20:08 +0000
                Re: What's new in C? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-12-08 20:25 +0000

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