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Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all?

From Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all?
Date 2020-09-27 12:32 -0400
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 07:50:23 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes:
>>
>>> On 2020-09-26, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
>>>> I log in in text mode, run 'startx' and get a simple window manager
>>>> with some menus and four virtual screens, plus the classic xclock(1)
>>>> and xload(1) in a corner.  I don't see what value a desktop
>>>> environment would add.
>>>
>>> I've not run X in forever (barring the rare server-side app I project on
>>> a local X server, but that is rare indeed), but what I found most
>>> galling was that there were at least three ways copy/paste would work,
>>> depending on what toolkit the app was written using.
>>
>>That is indeed a weakness in X.  Copy paste is implemented at the
>>application level and it can vary.  However, last time I looked,
>>windows always had an extra step involved in copy paste.  You need to
>>stroke the stuff you want to copy, then select the copy option from
>>a popup menu.  X11 applications are almost universal in supporting
>>stroke to copy, button 2 to paste.
>
> In Windows applications that use the APIs and are correctly programmed
> it's left-button-stroke to select, left-button-drag to cut-and-paste.

I thought just doing the stroke wasn't sufficient.
Oh well.

> To copy it's left-button-stroke to select, left-button-ctrl-drag to
> copy and paste.
>
> In dragging between applications the ctrl- may be implied--that seems
> to be a developer decision and may be user-controllable on some
> applications.  Dragging from the Visual Studio text editor to
> Notepad++ for example copies, while dragging the other way cuts.
>
> Do _not_ count on this working with any application that requires
> MinGW or Cygwin or is written in portable Java.  

That's interesting, I assumed Windows itself either did copy paste on
it's own or the tool kits made it real easy.  Sounds like just like
X11, each application can go it's own way.  Memory is vague, but
I thought Windows was way more consistent.  I remember trying to
implement copy/paste in an X11 application that didn't use any
toolkit at all.  It wasn't easy.

-- 
Dan Espen

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LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-14 10:57 +0100
  Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-14 12:10 +0000
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-14 14:09 +0100
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-14 14:23 +0100
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-14 16:36 +0100
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-14 18:44 +0100
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2020-09-15 14:14 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? "Massimo M." <massimo79m@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 14:50 -0700
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 18:44 -0400
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-21 00:07 +0100
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-21 07:08 +0100
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? "Massimo M." <massimo79m@gmail.com> - 2020-09-21 02:59 -0700
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-21 00:06 +0100
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-21 08:36 +0000
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-21 13:15 +0100
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2020-09-21 12:30 +0000
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-26 16:25 +0100
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-26 18:01 +0000
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2020-09-26 18:12 +0000
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-26 22:14 -0300
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-26 14:27 -0400
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-26 20:20 +0100
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-27 10:38 -0700
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 15:54 -0400
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-27 08:14 +0000
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-09-14 14:25 -0500
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-26 12:05 +0000
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-15 18:52 +0000
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-15 20:31 +0100
  Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-14 14:04 -0400
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-14 19:23 +0100
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-14 19:57 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-14 22:07 +0100
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-15 10:47 +0000
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 12:28 +0100
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-14 22:16 +0100
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-14 22:57 +0100
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-15 05:59 +0100
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-15 20:31 +0000
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-14 22:28 +0000
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-15 15:47 -0400
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 18:49 -0700
  Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-15 04:30 +0000
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 09:26 +0100
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 09:28 +0100
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-15 10:55 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 12:34 +0100
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-09-15 09:03 -0500
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 06:16 -0700
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-15 15:52 -0400
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-15 15:53 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 17:34 +0100
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-15 17:54 +0000
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 20:25 +0100
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-15 20:31 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-15 22:13 +0100
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-16 10:10 +0100
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-15 08:41 +0000
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 12:28 +0100
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 08:15 -0400
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 08:29 -0400
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 09:46 -0400
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 17:16 -0400
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 18:02 -0400
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 18:47 -0400
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> - 2020-09-21 12:56 -0700
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? f6k <f6k@huld.re> - 2020-09-21 22:45 +0200
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-21 21:05 +0000
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? f6k <f6k@huld.re> - 2020-09-22 10:24 +0200
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> - 2020-09-21 17:19 -0700
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? f6k <f6k@huld.re> - 2020-09-22 10:23 +0200
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 15:02 -0700
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-22 12:51 +0000
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 15:21 -0400
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-15 20:32 +0000
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-15 23:22 +0000
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 21:14 -0400
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-16 08:04 +0100
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-16 17:42 +0000
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-16 20:25 +0000
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 18:28 -0400
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-18 20:40 +0000
  Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2020-09-15 13:52 -0400
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 18:49 -0700
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2020-09-16 06:00 -0400
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-26 14:24 +0000
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-26 11:07 -0400
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-26 17:49 +0100
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2020-09-26 17:47 +0000
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-27 10:38 -0700
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-27 08:07 +0000
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-27 07:47 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 07:50 -0400
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 10:05 -0400
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 12:32 -0400
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 13:05 -0400
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-27 10:38 -0700
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 15:56 -0400
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-28 08:53 +0000
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-29 08:21 +0200
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-29 08:13 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-27 22:29 +0000
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-28 08:56 +0000
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-28 16:35 +0000
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-10-07 18:14 +0000
  Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Kelli Halliburton <kelli217@gmail.com> - 2020-10-09 14:07 -0700
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