Re: third-party packages adding apt sources

From	Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.project
Subject	Re: third-party packages adding apt sources
Date	2016-05-20 07:40 +0200
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 ❦ 19 mai 2016 18:04 +0100, Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> :

>> b) many upstreams appear frustrated about getting their package
>> officially supported in Debian.  Sometimes there is good reason their
>> package doesn't belong in Debian but sometimes it is more about inertia
>> in Debian or the upstream isn't aware about backports and thinks their
>> package will be stuck at a particular version forever
>
> Providing a proper Debian source package is also a lot more work than
> writing some kind of ad-hoc build system that spits out a .deb or
> three.

Totally agree. Our standards are far too high for many upstreams.

I am always flabestered by the popularity of fpm to build Debian
packages (and by the increasing popularity of pleaserun by the same
author on the same concepts). It provides a way to easily build a Debian
package from a directory but produces somewhat crippled/incomplete
packages and is no help to us since it's completely outside of any of
our tools. It also handles RPM (and now other package formats), but I
don't think this would explain its popularity alone.

And there is also the lost cause of vendoring that gained even more
traction with Go but that was already a problem with the Java ecosystem.
I don't think there is much to do about this one.
-- 
Don't sacrifice clarity for small gains in "efficiency".
            - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plauger)

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third-party packages adding apt sources Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2016-05-19 17:20 +0200
  Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org> - 2016-05-19 17:50 +0200
    Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Bas Wijnen <wijnen@debian.org> - 2016-05-19 19:00 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2016-05-19 19:10 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org> - 2016-05-20 00:40 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2016-05-20 07:30 +0200
        Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Antonio Terceiro <terceiro@debian.org> - 2016-05-20 14:00 +0200
          Re: third-party packages adding apt sources The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-05-20 14:30 +0200
          Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2016-05-20 15:00 +0200
            testing is a tool for the release team (Re: third-party packages  adding apt sources Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2016-05-20 15:10 +0200
          Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2016-05-20 20:40 +0200
        Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2016-05-21 08:10 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2016-05-20 14:50 +0200
    Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-05-19 20:20 +0200
  Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2016-05-19 17:50 +0200
    Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2016-05-19 18:00 +0200
  Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-05-19 19:10 +0200
    Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2016-05-19 19:20 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Bas Wijnen <wijnen@debian.org> - 2016-05-19 19:50 +0200
        Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-05-19 20:20 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2016-05-19 20:20 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-05-19 20:20 +0200
    Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2016-05-20 07:40 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2016-05-20 11:40 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2016-05-21 08:10 +0200
        Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2016-05-21 08:50 +0200
          Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2016-05-21 09:00 +0200
            Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2016-05-21 09:10 +0200
        Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi> - 2016-05-21 09:40 +0200
          Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2016-05-21 10:30 +0200
          Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2016-05-21 10:30 +0200
            Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2016-05-21 11:00 +0200
              Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2016-05-21 11:30 +0200
        Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2016-05-21 10:10 +0200
          Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi> - 2016-05-21 10:40 +0200
            Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2016-05-21 11:20 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2016-05-21 10:00 +0200
        Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2016-05-21 11:00 +0200
  Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Hakan Peker <holypeker@manlymail.net> - 2016-05-19 19:50 +0200
    Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Vincent Danjean <vdanjean.ml@free.fr> - 2016-05-20 21:40 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Hakan Peker <holypeker@manlymail.net> - 2016-05-22 16:50 +0200
        Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-05-22 17:10 +0200
  Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2016-05-21 05:50 +0200
  Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2016-05-21 07:50 +0200
    Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2016-05-21 14:40 +0200
      Re: third-party packages adding apt sources Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2016-05-22 03:50 +0200

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