Re: pure C90 environment

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: pure C90 environment
Date	2020-05-18 08:54 +0200
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On 17/05/2020 23:03, Paul Edwards wrote:
> On Monday, 18 May 2020 06:47:52 UTC+10, David Brown  wrote:
> 
>> But there is no /practical/ niche or use of it - no more than there is a
>> practical use for climbing Mt. Everest without oxygen, or rowing across
>> the Atlantic in a bathtub.
> 
> If that is the conclusion, ie PDOS/386
> serves no practical use, then so be it.

That is my opinion, yes.  But as I said, that doesn't necessarily mean 
you shouldn't work on it - do it if you are enjoying it.  But don't do 
it if you think there is going to be some practical use of it, or you 
want it to be popular, or you think it will a useful end result.

> That's what I get to find out now.
> 
> But I just find it disturbing that after
> decades of computing, the public does not
> own much, e.g. there's not many other
> self-hosting public domain operating
> systems written in C90. And no public
> domain compiler that can handle C90
> code and generate 80386 code either.
> 
> BFN. Paul.
> 

Why is that "disturbing"?  What is the point?  C90 is outdated, and has 
been replaced by better versions of C, and there are dozens of other 
good, popular and useful languages that are now used for tasks that C90 
once handled.  They are used because in many ways they are /better/.

There are still some uses of C90.  But C90 is definitely /not/ a 
sensible choice for writing either an OS or a compiler.

And the 386 architecture is a dead-end.  It exists now for historic 
reasons, and on old long-running systems.  It is useful that software 
(such as compilers) continue to support it so that old working systems 
can continue to work, but it is pointless writing anything /new/ for it.

I can see why someone might find this an interesting challenge or 
project.  There are groups that have written an entire PC OS in 
assembly, and all sorts of "historical" computing projects.  What I 
can't understand is your hypothesis that it is relevant or important for 
something other than the joy of the journey.

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pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-01 22:19 -0700
  Re: pure C90 environment fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 01:24 -0700
    Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 01:56 -0700
      Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 02:06 -0700
        Re: pure C90 environment shi84516584@gmail.com - 2020-05-19 17:53 -0700
      Re: pure C90 environment fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 02:07 -0700
        Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 02:23 -0700
          Re: pure C90 environment shi84516584@gmail.com - 2020-05-19 17:55 -0700
  Re: pure C90 environment Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2020-05-02 11:05 +0200
    Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 02:14 -0700
      Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-03 22:33 +0000
        Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-03 16:18 -0700
          Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-04 00:35 +0000
            Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-03 17:54 -0700
              Re: pure C90 environment Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-05-03 18:38 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-03 18:51 -0700
              Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-04 09:36 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2020-05-04 08:48 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-04 01:12 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-04 15:16 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-04 06:21 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-04 15:40 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-05-04 07:12 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-04 14:47 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-04 07:08 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-04 08:12 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2020-05-05 11:36 -0500
                Re: pure C90 environment James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-05-19 11:25 -0400
                Re: pure C90 environment James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-05-19 11:39 -0400
                Re: pure C90 environment Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 08:45 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-19 17:43 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-05-19 12:35 -0400
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-19 20:14 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-05-19 14:42 -0400
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 12:11 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-19 21:46 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 13:11 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 14:39 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 13:24 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-20 09:26 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-19 21:11 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-05-19 18:51 -0400
                Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-19 23:26 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-20 09:33 +0200
              Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-04 11:49 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-04 04:00 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-04 17:58 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-04 10:18 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-05-04 13:57 -0700
    Re: pure C90 environment Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 12:11 +0200
      Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-02 11:26 +0100
        Re: pure C90 environment Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 13:06 +0200
          Re: pure C90 environment Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 04:26 -0700
            Re: pure C90 environment fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 04:53 -0700
              Re: pure C90 environment Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 16:21 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 11:20 -0700
            Re: pure C90 environment Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 16:20 +0200
              Re: pure C90 environment Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 07:33 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 16:35 +0200
              Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-02 17:30 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 18:37 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-02 18:18 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 19:25 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 19:25 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-05-02 22:45 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-02 23:29 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-05-03 03:55 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-03 13:07 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-05-03 05:24 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-05-03 05:26 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-03 14:27 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-05-03 22:38 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-05-03 22:06 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-04 00:28 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-05-03 02:16 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-05-03 16:23 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-04 16:41 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-05-04 16:59 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-05-04 11:01 -0700
  Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-02 11:13 +0100
    Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 03:53 -0700
      Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 05:14 -0700
      Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 06:30 -0700
  Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-02 12:49 -0700
  Re: pure C90 environment Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-05-13 03:01 -0700
    Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-13 14:43 +0000
      Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-17 06:30 -0700
    Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-17 05:41 -0700
      Re: pure C90 environment Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-05-17 13:02 -0700
        Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-17 22:47 +0200
          Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-17 14:03 -0700
            Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-18 08:54 +0200
              Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 06:11 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 06:51 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 07:12 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-18 15:47 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-05-18 16:25 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 07:41 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-05-18 17:32 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-18 17:09 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 08:52 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-18 17:05 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 09:18 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-18 19:55 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-05-19 01:42 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 20:35 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-19 16:12 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 10:02 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-19 17:42 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-19 18:16 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-19 13:00 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 05:09 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-19 15:20 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 08:18 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-19 17:58 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 10:45 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-19 19:31 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 11:58 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-19 20:44 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 13:03 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-19 22:34 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 15:41 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-20 00:03 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 16:10 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-20 01:46 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 22:49 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-20 11:26 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-20 04:43 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 16:40 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-19 23:11 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 11:40 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-20 05:48 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-20 06:19 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-05-20 16:38 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-20 09:15 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-20 09:37 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-20 10:43 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-05-20 10:58 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-20 11:36 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-20 12:37 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment "muta...@gmail.com" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 17:43 -0800
                Re: pure C90 environment "muta...@gmail.com" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 17:58 -0800
                Re: pure C90 environment "muta...@gmail.com" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 18:03 -0800
                Re: pure C90 environment "muta...@gmail.com" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 18:29 -0800
                Re: pure C90 environment "muta...@gmail.com" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 19:54 -0800
                Re: pure C90 environment "muta...@gmail.com" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 20:01 -0800
                Re: pure C90 environment "muta...@gmail.com" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 20:04 -0800
                Re: pure C90 environment "muta...@gmail.com" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 21:07 -0800
                Re: pure C90 environment Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 23:10 -0800
                Re: pure C90 environment "muta...@gmail.com" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2021-03-11 01:21 -0800
                Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-03-11 15:26 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-19 17:18 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-19 09:52 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-19 17:39 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-19 16:17 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-05-19 22:54 +0100
                Re: pure C90 environment Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2020-05-20 10:17 +1200
                Re: pure C90 environment Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-05-19 16:28 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-19 17:30 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-05-19 19:39 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-18 15:12 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-18 19:51 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 13:02 -0700
              Re: pure C90 environment Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-05-18 15:52 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-18 17:15 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-18 20:10 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 13:18 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-18 23:21 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-19 13:21 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-19 13:12 +0200
                Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-19 16:21 +0000
              Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-18 19:48 +0000
          Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-18 19:47 +0000
            Re: pure C90 environment David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-05-19 13:23 +0200
        Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-17 13:54 -0700
          Re: pure C90 environment Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-05-17 16:45 -0700
            Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-17 17:27 -0700
              Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-18 14:44 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 08:17 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-18 21:39 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-18 21:58 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 16:40 -0700
                Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-19 00:22 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-19 00:27 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-19 16:10 +0000
                Re: pure C90 environment Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2020-05-18 14:59 -0700
          Re: pure C90 environment scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-18 20:01 +0000
        Re: pure C90 environment Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2020-05-18 13:25 +1200

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