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Re: Adobe Flash

From moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Adobe Flash
Date 2015-11-22 04:10 +0100
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:54:27 -0500, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/21/2015 11:59 AM, moxalt wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 10:20:07 -0500, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> On 11/21/2015 06:21 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:  
> >>> On Friday 20 November 2015 12:35:34 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:  
> >>>> OTOH we woldn't be here were
> >>>> it not for one very vociferous preacher, RMS  
> >>>
> >>> And there was I thinking I was here because of Linus and Ian. ;-)  
> >>
> >> Me too. Where would be be without Linus? Ric  
> >
> > In Hurd-land ;)  
> 
> I truly hope that Hurd becomes all that it can be. :) Ric

Alas, I fear it is too late... Hurd is basically where Linux was in 1991.

In a way it would probably have been better if Linux had never been developed.
We could have just used a deblobbed BSD kernel or something in the meantime,
while GNU would have given the Hurd its full attention.

It would have been *even better* if RMS had just gone with the initial plan to
use a simple monolithic kernel, rather than the technically ambitious kernel.
It would probably have been done before Linux even started- and Linus would
never have even needed to write a Minix clone for his PC...

Either of these situations would have prevented the hijacking of free software
by 'open source'. Actually, maybe even that was a good thing... it certainly
popularised and spread our wonderful GNU system. Now all that remains is to
bring the ethics of the matter back on the table and spread freedom
everywhere... :)

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Re: Adobe Flash Alex Vong <alexvong1995@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:50 +0100
  Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 16:10 +0100
    Re: Adobe Flash Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2015-11-18 16:40 +0100
      Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-18 19:50 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 20:40 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-19 00:50 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 01:30 +0100
      Re: Adobe Flash Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 14:10 +0100
    Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-18 19:00 +0100
      Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 19:00 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-18 20:30 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 20:40 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-19 18:00 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 01:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-11-20 01:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-20 08:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-20 09:30 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 10:30 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 14:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-21 15:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:20 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-21 18:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 23:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-22 00:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:10 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 05:20 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:20 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Ben Stones <ben@b3ns.com> - 2015-11-22 13:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-23 00:10 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-23 18:50 +0100
                Re: Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-22 18:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-20 09:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 00:40 +0100
                Which repositories are permitted and which are not Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 01:20 +0100
                The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 04:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-22 05:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:20 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-11-22 17:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 18:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 20:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 23:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 23:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-23 00:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 00:10 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-23 00:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 00:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Ben Stones <ben@b3ns.com> - 2015-11-23 01:30 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-11-22 21:30 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 01:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-20 07:50 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-20 09:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 05:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Glenn English <ghe@srv.slsware.net> - 2015-11-21 08:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 09:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 10:20 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 14:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 10:20 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 15:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:20 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 19:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-22 02:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-11-21 19:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 13:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-20 14:20 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-20 15:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-20 16:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-20 17:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 12:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-11-21 13:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-11-21 14:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 19:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-11-22 14:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 14:50 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 00:40 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 01:00 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:00 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 16:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 19:50 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-23 00:10 +0100
                "operating system" Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 02:50 +0100
                pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2015-11-23 10:40 +0100
                Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-11-23 20:30 +0100
                Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-11-24 11:30 +0100
                Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-24 15:50 +0100
    Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-18 19:40 +0100
      Re: Adobe Flash Tom Ashley <tomashleyjr@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 22:10 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 00:30 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-19 01:00 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 01:30 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Tom Ashley <tomashleyjr@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 02:30 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-19 02:30 +0100

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