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On 2019-11-27, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 12:49:55 AM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> This particular /30 also had 3rd party disk and tape drives, along
>> with the memory upgrades.  IBM was Not Pleased.
>
> The S/360 history explains some of what was going on.  Part
> of the third-party hardware was the result of IBM engineers
> 'jumping ship' after S/360 development, taking their
> expertise to newly formed companies.  IBM was pissed about
> that.  But my personal impression is that IBM somewhat created 
> that situation by working their people ridiculously hard 
> during S/360 days and then not compensating them adequately.

Their arbitrary limits on how much memory could be attached
to various processors in the 360 line didn't help either.

> Another part was that S/360 was very successful and IBM
> was unable to meet demand.
>
> Another part was that IBM wasn't cheap.  IBM gave full
> support, but at a price.  Later, after unbundling, IBM
> was more competitive.
>
> Of course, a third party company was exploiting IBM's
> research and development.  But there were risks--they
> could make a lot of money, but if IBM upgraded its
> hardware, they could lose a lot of money.

There was an ongoing cat-and-mouse game for a while.
IBM would change the interface specifications, which
shut out the plug-compatible manufacturers for the year
that it took them to reverse-engineer the new interface.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

> Tom Watson Jr initially had the attitude that IBM
> was entitled to own virtually the entire DP marketplace.
> He enacted policies got IBM sued.  Later he woke up
> and changed their policies, so when the govt sued, IBM
> won.

It helped that IBM was able to generate so many wheelbarrows
of paper that the government was swamped.

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  Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2019-11-25 15:07 -0800
    Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2019-11-26 01:22 +0000
      Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2019-11-27 12:54 -0800
        Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2019-11-28 18:08 +0000
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        Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2019-11-28 11:04 -0700
  Re: IBM system/360 ad Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2019-11-25 14:41 -1000
    Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-11-26 01:31 +0000
    Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2019-11-27 12:49 -0800
      Re: IBM system/360 ad Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2019-11-27 21:23 +0000
        Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2019-11-27 13:39 -0800
          Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2019-11-27 18:18 -0500
            Re: IBM system/360 ad Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2019-12-02 00:23 +0100
              Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-12-02 15:37 +0000
      Re: IBM system/360 ad David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2019-11-28 03:16 +0000
  Re: IBM system/360 ad David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2019-11-26 21:35 +0000
    Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2019-11-26 22:21 +0000
    Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2019-11-26 22:50 +0000
      Re: IBM system/360 ad David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2019-11-27 00:41 +0000
        Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2019-11-27 05:49 +0000
          Re: IBM system/360 ad David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2019-11-27 11:22 +0000
            Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2019-11-27 19:54 +0000
              Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2019-11-27 13:05 -0800
          Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2019-11-27 13:04 -0800
            Re: IBM system/360 ad Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2019-11-27 13:11 -1000
            Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2019-11-28 18:08 +0000
              Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2019-11-28 13:28 -0500
                Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2019-12-01 13:16 -0800
                Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2019-12-03 15:14 +0000
                Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2019-12-04 13:01 -0800
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