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Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun?

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On 15/10/2019 13:57, David Brown wrote:
> On 15/10/2019 13:08, Frederick Gotham wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 at 11:54:45 AM UTC+1, Paavo Helde
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A buffer overrun should be considered a bug in the program and
>>> should be dealt with by abort() or similar, not by an exception.
>>
>>
>> So if I use a scissors to cut a slice of bread, am I abusing the
>> scissors?
> 
> I'd say yes.  Aim to use the right tool for the job.  Use a poorer
> choice of tool if you can't get the right tool, but only if there is no
> option.
> 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B84pS6JTI9A>
> 
>>
>> Are you one of those people who will only use something for the one
>> specific use that it says on the box?
> 
> I can't answer for Paavo, but I am one of these people who try to think
> out the best way to handle a task.
> 
>>
>> I'm curious what your stance is on exception throwing in recursive
>> functions (instead of conditional return statements)?
>>
> 
> In C++, throwing an exception is usually /massively/ slower than
> returning a code.  It can easily be thousands of times slower.  And for
> recursive functions, it probably scales in time with the depth of the
> recursion - and may limit optimisations of the functions.
> 
> Exceptions are fine when the situation is very rare and you don't have
> requirements for worst-case latency, or where there is no sensible way
> to handle the situation (like running out of memory), or when efficiency
> doesn't matter and they make the code simpler and clearer (perhaps for
> network or file errors).
> 
> They are a bad idea for normal processing as an alternative to return
> values.
> 
> (The balance here will change significantly once static exceptions are
> part of the language - they will be a great deal more efficient, and a
> great deal easier for compile-time checking to support, at the cost of
> less flexibility).
> 


mine is just a no more than a hobbist tinkerer's opinion, 
but ...
even if I surely won't object to performance issues, another 
(often contrasting) point of view would be readability and 
cross-usability of code

I mean, often I feel the need of "consistent" (= UNIFORM) 
error management.

Even if surely more performant, mixed management can be 
difficult to understand and use.
So some importance maybe should also be given to the choice 
of using the same tool systematically for every problem of 
the same nature (errors), regardeless of its performance 
potential problems.
Also "snippet" reuse is hindered by mixed use of both 
exceptions and return types, and maybe it's more error prone.

One thing I really can't stand is the way C used to share a 
single variable (errno) to store status, that may be 
overwritten unpredictably




-- 
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
Soviet_Mario - (aka Gatto_Vizzato)

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Which exception for a buffer overrun? Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-10-15 03:00 -0700
  Re:Which exception for a buffer overrun? melzzzzz <mel@melzzzzz.com> - 2019-10-15 12:52 +0200
    Re: Re:Which exception for a buffer overrun? queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-10-16 12:52 +0000
      Re: Re:Which exception for a buffer overrun? melzzzzz <mel@melzzzzz.com> - 2019-10-16 18:29 +0200
  Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-10-15 13:54 +0300
    Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-10-15 04:08 -0700
      Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-15 13:57 +0200
        Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-10-15 23:59 +0200
          Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-15 22:13 +0000
            Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-10-16 15:04 +0200
          Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-10-16 07:57 +0300
            Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-10-16 15:05 +0200
            Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-16 15:34 -0700
          Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-16 10:16 +0200
            Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-10-16 05:54 -0700
              Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-16 16:12 +0200
                Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-10-16 20:45 +0200
                Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-10-17 06:34 -0700
                Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-17 16:34 +0200
            Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-10-17 08:15 +1300
              Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-16 23:00 +0200
                Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-10-17 10:36 +1300
                Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-17 10:14 +0200
                Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-10-16 20:06 -0700
            Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-18 09:45 +0200
        Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-17 21:22 +0200
      Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-10-15 17:48 +0300
    Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> - 2019-10-15 13:09 +0200
      Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-15 13:35 +0200
        Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-15 13:30 +0000
      Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? melzzzzz <mel@melzzzzz.com> - 2019-10-15 13:49 +0200
        Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-15 13:59 +0200
      Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-10-15 14:48 +0000
        Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-10-15 18:37 +0300
          Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? melzzzzz <mel@melzzzzz.com> - 2019-10-15 18:48 +0200
      Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-10-16 13:00 +0000
    Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-10-15 18:21 +0100
      Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-15 20:32 +0000
        Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-10-16 06:20 +0000
    Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-16 14:43 -0700
  Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-10-15 11:12 +0000
  Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-10-15 13:44 -0700
    Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-10-15 22:43 +0100
      Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-10-16 00:01 -0700
        Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-10-16 19:02 +0000
          Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-10-16 15:22 -0700
            Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2019-10-17 03:31 +0100
              Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-10-17 15:35 +1300
                Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-17 10:17 +0200
            Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-10-20 22:18 +0000
              Re: Which exception for a buffer overrun? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-10-21 04:06 -0700

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