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Re: alloca()-support

From Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.c
Subject Re: alloca()-support
Date 2019-09-30 22:26 +0300
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 30.09.2019 19:04, Bonita Montero wrote:
> I just came across another issue:
> With my primary compiler theres's an internal function called __chkstk
> called when I do alloca. This function is usually called when there are
> more than a page full of variables in the stack-frame. That's because
> Windows recognizes the need for more stack space only through touching
> the next unmapepd page down the stack. So why hasn't MS so be so clever
> as to design Windows that it would also recoginize noncontignous acces-
> ses to the stack-pages?

I guess this would mean setting up e.g. 64 guard pages instead of one or 
two, and most of those pages would remain untouched and unused 
(many-many service threads use extremely little stack space).

Also, this would not avoid the need for checks at alloca(), it would 
still need to check that the allocation fits in the total free space of 
the current stack.

 > Are these pages handled are like being over-comitted?

As a little experiment shows, in Windows the virtual address space for 
the stack is reserved, but not committed. Strictly speaking, you cannot 
over-commit something which is not committed. But I can see how this 
might feel similar.

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alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 14:02 +0200
  Re: alloca()-support Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 07:02 -0700
    Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 16:09 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-09-30 17:29 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 17:33 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-09-30 16:26 +0000
  Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-09-30 17:12 +0300
    Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 16:16 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-09-30 17:30 +0300
        Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 16:44 +0200
          Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 00:36 +0300
            Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 06:28 +0200
              Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 16:08 +0300
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 15:42 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-30 14:30 +0000
      Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-09-30 17:33 +0300
        Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-30 16:56 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-09-30 15:29 +0000
      Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 17:31 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-01 07:03 +0000
          Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 10:57 +0200
            Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-01 18:49 +0000
              Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 21:20 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-01 20:39 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 04:15 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 06:28 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 04:29 +0000
    Re: alloca()-support Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-30 11:14 -0700
  Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 18:04 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support William Ahern <william@25thandClement.com> - 2019-09-30 11:01 -0700
      Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 07:19 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-09-30 22:26 +0300
      Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-30 19:46 +0000
    Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 07:32 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-10-01 09:08 +0300
        Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 08:35 +0200
  Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 18:48 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 18:51 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 18:55 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 18:58 +0200
          Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 19:53 +0200
            Re: alloca()-support Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-30 11:13 -0700
            Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-30 19:38 +0000
              Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 07:41 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-01 15:19 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 17:31 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-01 18:58 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 21:24 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 04:28 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 06:30 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 04:36 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-02 10:01 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 04:42 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-02 10:10 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 15:13 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-01 21:10 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 21:25 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-01 20:44 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-01 23:26 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-01 21:08 -0600
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-02 10:19 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 06:39 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-02 10:34 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 15:14 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 15:18 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 15:21 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-03 04:09 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-03 07:48 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-03 05:49 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-03 07:52 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-03 06:46 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-03 10:59 +0200
              Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-10-03 13:39 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-03 13:23 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-03 15:38 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-03 14:51 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-04 09:49 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-10-03 21:47 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-04 09:53 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-10-03 21:52 +0200
            Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 07:39 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-09-30 21:36 -0400
      Re: alloca()-support Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-09-30 19:14 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 19:16 +0200
          Re: alloca()-support Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-01 00:18 -0500
            Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 07:43 +0200
            Re: alloca()-support Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-01 02:42 -0700
              Re: alloca()-support James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-01 08:11 -0400
              Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 14:53 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-30 17:52 +0000
    Re: alloca()-support Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-09-30 11:20 -0600
      Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 19:42 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 20:02 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 19:54 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-09-30 14:28 -0600
          Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-01 09:38 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 20:01 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2019-10-01 17:45 +0200
  Re: alloca()-support Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 00:03 -0700
    Re: alloca()-support Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-10-02 11:30 +0300
    Re: alloca()-support Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-10-02 21:34 +1300
      Re: alloca()-support Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 01:36 -0700
        Re: alloca()-support Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-10-02 21:41 +1300
          Re: alloca()-support Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 02:28 -0700
  Re: alloca()-support "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 02:35 -0700
    Re: alloca()-support Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 02:43 -0700
    Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 16:26 +0300
      Re: alloca()-support "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 12:33 -0700
        Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-03 01:47 +0300
          Re: alloca()-support "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-05 14:08 -0700

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