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Re: alloca()-support

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.c
Subject Re: alloca()-support
Date 2019-09-30 16:56 +0200
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 30/09/2019 16:33, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> Scott Lurndal to Anton Shepelev:
> 
>>> The problem is that code with `alloca()' is no longer
>>> starndard C and depends on specific compilers, which harms
>>> the freedom of the users of your code to compile it with
>>> *any* C compiler.
>>
>> Good grief.  90% of all C code isn't open source and the
>> programmer is free to use whatever features necessary for
>> the program to function as required.
> 
> Reliance on compiler features puts the same fetters on free
> and commerical code.

The great majority of C and C++ programs are dependent on features that 
are limited to specific target processors, compilers, and/or OS's.  Some 
programs are written in a way to minimise these dependencies, or at 
least to isolate them in a small number of files.  For many other 
programs, it really doesn't matter - the code will only be used with one 
compiler or on one target.

And some features are non-standard but found on many compilers - 
alloca() is one of these.  If you are using a serious compiler, it will 
support alloca().  Your alloca() code might not work on a tiny 
microcontroller, or on a toy compiler like TCC, but it is highly likely 
that a lot more of the code will have trouble there too.

> 
>> And, FWIW, alloca() has never been "starndard" C.
> 
> You misunderstood my usage of "no longer".  I meant that
> once you start using alloca() your program is no longer
> standard C.
> 

It is, I believe, extremely unlikely that use of alloca() will be the 
deciding factor for which compilers can be used with the code.

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alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 14:02 +0200
  Re: alloca()-support Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 07:02 -0700
    Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 16:09 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-09-30 17:29 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 17:33 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-09-30 16:26 +0000
  Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-09-30 17:12 +0300
    Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 16:16 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-09-30 17:30 +0300
        Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 16:44 +0200
          Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 00:36 +0300
            Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 06:28 +0200
              Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 16:08 +0300
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 15:42 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-30 14:30 +0000
      Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-09-30 17:33 +0300
        Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-30 16:56 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-09-30 15:29 +0000
      Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 17:31 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-01 07:03 +0000
          Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 10:57 +0200
            Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-01 18:49 +0000
              Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 21:20 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-01 20:39 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 04:15 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 06:28 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 04:29 +0000
    Re: alloca()-support Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-30 11:14 -0700
  Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 18:04 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support William Ahern <william@25thandClement.com> - 2019-09-30 11:01 -0700
      Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 07:19 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-09-30 22:26 +0300
      Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-30 19:46 +0000
    Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 07:32 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-10-01 09:08 +0300
        Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 08:35 +0200
  Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 18:48 +0200
    Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 18:51 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 18:55 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 18:58 +0200
          Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 19:53 +0200
            Re: alloca()-support Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-30 11:13 -0700
            Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-30 19:38 +0000
              Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 07:41 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-01 15:19 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 17:31 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-01 18:58 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 21:24 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 04:28 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 06:30 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 04:36 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-02 10:01 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 04:42 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-02 10:10 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 15:13 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-01 21:10 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 21:25 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-01 20:44 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-01 23:26 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-01 21:08 -0600
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-02 10:19 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 06:39 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-02 10:34 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 15:14 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-02 15:18 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 15:21 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-03 04:09 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-03 07:48 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-03 05:49 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-03 07:52 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-03 06:46 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-03 10:59 +0200
              Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-10-03 13:39 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-03 13:23 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-03 15:38 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-03 14:51 +0000
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-04 09:49 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-10-03 21:47 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-04 09:53 +0200
                Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-10-03 21:52 +0200
            Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 07:39 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-09-30 21:36 -0400
      Re: alloca()-support Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-09-30 19:14 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 19:16 +0200
          Re: alloca()-support Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-01 00:18 -0500
            Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 07:43 +0200
            Re: alloca()-support Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-01 02:42 -0700
              Re: alloca()-support James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-01 08:11 -0400
              Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 14:53 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-30 17:52 +0000
    Re: alloca()-support Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-09-30 11:20 -0600
      Re: alloca()-support Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 19:42 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 20:02 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 19:54 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-09-30 14:28 -0600
          Re: alloca()-support David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-01 09:38 +0200
      Re: alloca()-support Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-09-30 20:01 +0200
        Re: alloca()-support Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2019-10-01 17:45 +0200
  Re: alloca()-support Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 00:03 -0700
    Re: alloca()-support Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-10-02 11:30 +0300
    Re: alloca()-support Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-10-02 21:34 +1300
      Re: alloca()-support Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 01:36 -0700
        Re: alloca()-support Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-10-02 21:41 +1300
          Re: alloca()-support Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 02:28 -0700
  Re: alloca()-support "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 02:35 -0700
    Re: alloca()-support Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 02:43 -0700
    Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 16:26 +0300
      Re: alloca()-support "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-02 12:33 -0700
        Re: alloca()-support Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-03 01:47 +0300
          Re: alloca()-support "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-05 14:08 -0700

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