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Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors

From "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors
Date 2019-08-19 16:37 -0700
Organization Aioe.org NNTP Server
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On 8/19/2019 3:21 PM, red floyd wrote:
> On 8/19/2019 3:20 PM, red floyd wrote:
>> On 8/19/2019 1:56 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:
>>> In the old days volatile on a variable meant putting it in memory, 
>>> not holding it in a register. That was easy.
>>>
>>
>> No.  That's not what volatile means.  ISO/IEC 14882:2003 7.1.5.1/8 says
>> that volatile is an instruction to the optimizer.
>>
>> "volatile is a hint to the implementation to avoid aggressive
>> optimization involving the object because the value of the object
>> might be changed by means undetectable by an implementation."
>>
>> DISCLAIMER:  C++03 is the latest copy of the standard that I have.
>> Can someone check a newer version and see if that's still what is
>> indicated?
> 
> Also, it's long been known and stated here that volatile is insufficient
> for any threading purposes.
> 

Right. Its not portable, they do not imply any memory barrier at all, 
some things do some don't, it was never meant for threading. Use 
std::atomic with _relaxed_ membars to read and write volatiles for a 
device or something.

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"volatile" on variables and current processors Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-19 21:56 +0100
  Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors red floyd <dont.bother@its.invalid> - 2019-08-19 15:20 -0700
    Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors red floyd <dont.bother@its.invalid> - 2019-08-19 15:21 -0700
      Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-08-19 16:37 -0700
        Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-20 21:58 +0100
          Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-08-20 22:18 +0000
            Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 21:39 +0100
          Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-08-21 09:02 +0300
            Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-08-20 23:10 -0700
          Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-21 08:34 +0200
            Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-08-21 20:39 +0100
              Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-08-21 21:02 +0100
              Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-22 13:30 +0200
        Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-21 08:43 +0200
      Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2019-08-20 02:22 +0200
        Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-20 10:05 +0200
    Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-08-19 17:08 -0700
  Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-20 06:08 +0200
  Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-20 10:14 +0200
  Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2019-08-20 13:03 +0000
    Re: "volatile" on variables and current processors David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-20 16:18 +0200

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