Re: python to deprecate NNTP

From	Rich <rich@example.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: python to deprecate NNTP
Date	2019-05-24 15:00 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> On 2019-05-23, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0594/#nntplib
>>> 
>>> This affects me, at least.  The little script I use to post articles
>>> from my RSS reader relies on python.  Boo!  Why can't developers just
>>> leave working shit alone?
>>
>> Or... switch to another language for your 'little script':
>>
>> https://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2004/Tcl2003papers/kupries-doctools/tcllib/modules/nntp/nntp.man
>>
>> Handles both reading and posting.
>>
>>> I'll wind up maintaining a VM with an older distro or something, just
>>> to do what I like to do.  I hate that!
>>
>> An alternative, but if you do *hate* it enough, maybe you might
>> consider the switch above?
> 
> Interesting, thanks!  I had no idea it existed. I also don't know much
> about TCL, so i've got some learning to do.

It (TCL) is a wee bit more LISP like than most, but beyond that, if you 
know how to write scripts in Python, you've got the needed requirements 
(how to write a program) and the difference is more on the line of "how 
do I do X in language Y".

> Currently I use the newsbeuter/newsboat RSS reader, pipe the article
> into a little bash script that prompts for title, whatever, creates a
> little text file in /tmp with the body of the RSS article plus those
> respones, then stuffs the text file into the postnews python script.
> Has worked a treat since 2014.

Sounds similar to the little Tcl GUI I've got for creating my posts 
here.  Paste in title, url, quote from article, push "post".

> However, I'll still bitch and moan: I'm just annoyed that things that
> work, stop working or are deprecated because "not enough people use
> them."  Yeah I know, someone has to mantain the code, and there aren't
> enough volunteers, etc.  Just annoyed things I like continued to evolve.

The sad part about dropping NNTP support is that the NNTP protocol has 
not changed in a very long time, so unless the module has a discovered 
security bug (unlikely) there should be no 'maintenence' to have to 
perform.  It should just continue to work, since nothing it would talk 
to is changing out from under it.

But, if the Python folks continue their typical expiring/changing of 
basic language functionality such that the NNTP module has to be 
updated to the "new flash in the pan" function they've come up with 
lately, then there's the maintence.  But then that's self imposed, and 
not caused by NNTP changing somewhere.

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python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 17:44 -0400
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-23 21:49 +0000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-05-23 22:59 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 01:51 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 22:24 -0400
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2019-05-24 07:52 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2019-05-29 18:06 +0100
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-05-24 13:25 +0100
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 14:54 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-05-25 23:41 +1000
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-25 16:35 +0000
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-05-26 13:38 -0400
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-05-26 23:21 +0000
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-27 11:06 +0000
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-05-25 14:43 -0300
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 20:37 -0400
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 15:00 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-05-24 17:31 -0300
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-25 07:38 +0000
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-26 01:36 +0000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2019-05-29 18:05 +0100
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-23 17:51 -0400
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-05-24 14:29 +1000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 15:01 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 20:25 +0000
        Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-24 21:32 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-05-25 03:23 +0000
          Re: python to deprecate NNTP Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-05-25 20:32 +0000
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2019-05-25 18:08 -0400
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-05-25 21:27 -0300
            Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-27 21:12 -0400
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-28 03:06 +0000
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-05-28 08:16 +0100
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-28 15:19 +0000
                Re: python to deprecate NNTP Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-05-28 18:26 +0100
              Re: python to deprecate NNTP kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-05-28 14:46 -0400
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP "polk" <polka@dot.dot> - 2019-05-25 15:14 +0000
    Re: python to deprecate NNTP RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-26 01:37 +0000
      Re: python to deprecate NNTP Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-05-26 05:45 +0000
  Re: python to deprecate NNTP Robert Munyer <robertm@not-for-mail.invalid> - 2019-06-07 23:03 +0000

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