Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

From	Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png
Date	2016-01-01 10:50 +0100
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Just for the record, in case the package maintainer or policy group
look at this thread hoping for representative opinions:

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 5:31 AM, Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> wrote:
> On 31/12/15 03:10 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
>>
>> On 31/12/15 06:15 AM, Fernando Arenas wrote:
>>>
>>> First my sincere congratulations to the entire team that works every day
>>> to improve this wonderful operating system.
>>> The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called
>>> openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented
>>> as sex objects. So I ask you to withdraw these images and improve its
>>> protocols for such content is not put back into their servers.
>>> I hate that my children may find these images when they perform their
>>> work for the school.
>>> Only in Spain during 2015 male violence he has killed 62 women. Do not
>>> you contribute to promoting ideas about women favoring these behaviors.
>>>
>>> greetings from
>>> Fernando Arenas
>>>
>>> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
>>> https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
>>
>>
>> I will note that the package is not available for Jessie or Stretch except
>> as a download from Sid.I gather the package maintainer has a problem with it
>> too. Perhaps the openclipart packages should be divided into categories
>> which would allow for more targeted downloads. People looking for animal
>> clipart, for example, may not want furniture clipart installed as well. This
>> would allow for "sexy-female" and "sexy-male" packages that aren't installed
>> except by explicit request.
>>
> My apologies for the above comment. Up until reading Fernando's post, I
> wasn't aware of openclipart2.

I personally see no reason for you to apologize for your suggestion.

It would take a bit of work, but non-programmers who want to help
could do a few at a time and it would help make openclipart2 more
useful for everyone.

One volunteer by him/herself would get worn out, yes, and I wouldn't
ask the package maintainer to categorize the whole list without help.

> I note that it is substantially larger than
> openclipart and is organized by contributor, not by topic.

And that makes it less useful than it would b if organized by topic.

It would have been nice if we had the contributors' opinions about the
categorization as a starting point, too, if I were making wishes.

> Following my
> suggestion would be hugely time consuming and achieve very little.

Strongly disagree. Clipart is only useful when you can find what you
are looking for.

> Looking at the images that were identified, I find little justification in
> the original complaint. One can easily accidentally stumble across far more
> provocative content on Facebook.
>

The comment on facebook aside, I looked at the first twenty or so
images in the list, and I agree that the general point of view is very
much one that treats people as objects. I would not want my children
finding those when looking for clipart.

In my opinion, a complaint is justified here. Those should be sorted
out into a separate package, at minimum.

-- 
Joel Rees

Ranting is free.
http://free-is-not-free.blogspot.jp/

Thread

sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Fernando Arenas <arenas.f@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 12:40 +0100
  Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Jerome BENOIT <sphericaltriangle@rezozer.net> - 2015-12-31 13:20 +0100
  Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-31 13:30 +0100
    Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 14:20 +0100
  Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-12-31 13:40 +0100
    Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 15:30 +0100
  Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 14:20 +0100
    Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png David Baron <d_baron@012.net.il> - 2015-12-31 14:30 +0100
    Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 02:30 +0100
    Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 03:50 +0100
  Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Javier Barroso <javibarroso@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 17:20 +0100
    Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-31 17:40 +0100
      Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png "John L. Ries" <jries@salford-systems.com> - 2015-12-31 20:30 +0100
        RE: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Arno Schuring <aelschuring@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:40 +0100
  Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2015-12-31 21:20 +0100
    Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2015-12-31 21:40 +0100
      Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 10:50 +0100
        Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 17:30 +0100
          Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png peter@berghold.net - 2016-01-01 17:40 +0100
            Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-01 17:50 +0100
              Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 19:40 +0100
            Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 18:00 +0100
              Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-01 22:30 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-01 23:10 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Charlie <ariestao@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-01-02 00:10 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 04:30 +0100
            Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 18:50 +0100
              Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2016-01-01 19:10 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Lee Winter <lee.j.i.winter@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 20:10 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2016-01-02 09:00 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-01-02 09:20 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2016-01-02 18:10 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-02 18:20 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-01-02 19:00 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org> - 2016-01-03 11:40 +0100
            Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-01-01 18:50 +0100
          Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 02:30 +0100
            Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 14:00 +0100
              Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 01:30 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 09:40 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-01-06 10:20 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 16:40 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-01-06 10:50 +0100
              Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 11:30 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-01-06 13:00 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2016-01-06 13:10 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-01-06 13:30 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-06 14:40 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 16:50 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 17:50 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-01-06 21:20 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 16:00 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2016-01-06 16:10 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-01-06 16:30 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2016-01-06 17:40 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-01-06 18:20 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 20:00 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2016-01-07 14:50 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-07 15:10 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2016-01-07 15:30 +0100
            Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-01-05 18:00 +0100
              Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 01:30 +0100
              Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png Matt Ventura <mattventura@mattventura.net> - 2016-01-07 00:50 +0100
                Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 07:20 +0100

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