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Re: sid on openvz

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On Dec 03, James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> wrote:

> Most openvz run on kernels based on 2.6.32, often with significant
> updates.  These platforms are an important segment, given how affordable
> they are.  And Debian "stable" is often too archaic for many needs which
> fit nicely on a small inexpensive server.
> 
> There should be a way to continue to use sid on these platforms.
I agree.

On Dec 04, Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> wrote:

> > The latest glibc update breaks most sid installs on (typically leased)
> > openvz platforms because it requires a newer kernel version that most
> > openvz vendors advertize.
> Is it possible for these vendors to switch to a newer version of Linux?
Not at this time, there is just no viable replacement: I expect that 
it will take a few years for the replacement to mature to the level of 
the current 2.6.32 OpenVZ/Virtuozzo kernel.
(The problem is not just implementing the virtualization features with
namespaces but also replacing the resources accounting system.)

On Dec 04, Vincent Danjean <vdanjean.ml@free.fr> wrote:

> Perhaps they will be more willing to do it when consumers wont be able
> to install the distribution they want on their VM.
As an hosting provider I can say with some authority that this is not 
how it works: nobody is going to replace their OpenVZ/Virtuozzo 
infrastructure just because newer Debian releases will not work: they 
will just stop supporting newer Debian releases until they will switch 
to namespaces-based virtualization (2-5 years?).

On Dec 04, Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net> wrote:

> If you consider Debian "stable" as too archaic, I am missing words to
> qualify a 2.6.32 kernel released in 2009. Prehistoric maybe?
Unlike Debian, Red Hat keeps backporting new features in the kernels 
used by their stable distributions and then will support security fixes 
for a very long time. So these kernels are not in any way comparable to 
the Debian 2.6.32 ones.

-- 
ciao,
Marco

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sid on openvz James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> - 2015-12-03 23:40 +0100
  Re: sid on openvz Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2015-12-04 07:10 +0100
    Re: sid on openvz Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2015-12-04 09:40 +0100
    Re: sid on openvz Vincent Danjean <vdanjean.ml@free.fr> - 2015-12-04 16:30 +0100
  Re: sid on openvz Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net> - 2015-12-04 10:10 +0100
    Re: sid on openvz Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2015-12-04 23:10 +0100
      Re: sid on openvz Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2015-12-04 23:40 +0100
    Re: sid on openvz md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri) - 2015-12-05 08:40 +0100
      Re: sid on openvz Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net> - 2015-12-07 12:30 +0100
        Re: sid on openvz md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri) - 2015-12-07 16:00 +0100
          Re: sid on openvz Dimitri John Ledkov <xnox@debian.org> - 2015-12-07 18:20 +0100
    Re: sid on openvz James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> - 2015-12-11 15:40 +0100

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