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Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash

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On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 03:17:33PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Let's give them a part of our money for the service they do us by
> enforcing the GPL for Debian developers.

We already pay for those services. There is a forfait amount of money
that Debian pays to Conservancy per year (1000 USD, IIRC), which
corresponds to a forfait amount of lawyer hours that Conservancy give to
Debian per year. If any enforcement (or other legal) action will require
more than those hours, Conservancy will bill Debian for the extra time.

If we want to donate to Conservancy, it should be on a different basis
than paying for the services we get from them, because those are
regulated on a contractual basis.

FWIW, I'm a conservancy supporter and also a testimonial for their
current fund raising campaign. But I'm against "transitive donations" of
money that Debian received as donations to other charitable initiatives
because, e.g., there is no reasonable guarantee that the goals of
Conservancy align well with the reasons why the initial donor gave money
to Debian.

Also, in this specific case, I don't think that significant one-shot
donations is what Conservancy needs the most in the current situation
(even though of course I don't and can't speak for the organization).
What they need is to build a significant basis of individual supporters
that will, on average, remain supporters in the long term.

So if Debian really wants to help Conservancy, promoting their current
campaign for individual memberships would be a very useful thing to do.

Cheers.
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Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-01 14:20 +0100
  Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 14:20 +0100
  Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 15:20 +0100
    Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 15:40 +0100
      Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 16:00 +0100
        Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-01 18:20 +0100
        Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-12-02 23:00 +0100
      Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 16:00 +0100
      Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 20:50 +0100
        Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 21:10 +0100
          Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 21:20 +0100
      Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Mehdi Dogguy <mehdi@dogguy.org> - 2015-12-01 23:30 +0100
        Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2015-12-02 02:40 +0100
          Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash "Joel W. Shea" <jwshea@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 05:40 +0100
          Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Mehdi Dogguy <mehdi@dogguy.org> - 2015-12-03 09:00 +0100
            Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-22 12:50 +0100
              Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ana Guerrero Lopez <ana@debian.org> - 2015-12-22 14:50 +0100
                Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-22 15:00 +0100
      Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2015-12-02 10:30 +0100
    Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2015-12-02 09:30 +0100
      Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Riley Baird <BM-2cVqnDuYbAU5do2DfJTrN7ZbAJ246S4XiX@bitmessage.ch> - 2015-12-02 09:50 +0100
  Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 15:30 +0100
    Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-01 16:00 +0100
    Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 17:00 +0100
  Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-01 21:00 +0100
    Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2015-12-02 02:40 +0100

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