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Re: C wish list

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: C wish list
Date 2019-03-24 22:55 +0100
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On 24/03/2019 20:44, Bart wrote:
> On 24/03/2019 17:43, antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl wrote:
>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well, almost any HLL can represent data types used in assembly and
>> you can write code having the same effect as machine level instructions.
> 
> I would like to dispute some of that but that is a debate for elsewhere.
> 
>>> I called C a trumped-up assembler, which wasn't a criticism; it's just
>>> how I want to use such a language.
>>

It is a pity for you that C is not such a language.

On the other hand, none of the tasks you list below have any need of a 
"trumped-up assembler".  C, assuming you know how to use it, will work 
for any of them.  (It is a poor choice of language for many of these 
tasks, but it will work.  And of course it may have been a reasonable 
choice at the time.)

>> You still did not explain why you want such a thing.  I use low
>> level code for:
>> - controling hardware (C is doing this nicely)
>> - getting high speed (again C is doing well here, but sometimes
>>    I need assembly)
>> - interfacing to OS (again C)
>> - low level runtime support for higher level languages
>>    (C is useful here, but such code may do things impossible
>>     to do in C, so down to assembly)
> 
> I've used low level code, starting early 80s, for:
> 
> - Test programs when developing microprocessor boards: doing i/o,
>    writing to controllers, testing memory, etc etc

As long as you understand "volatile", you don't need any undefined 
behaviour of "assembler" features for that.  You usually need 
target-specific and implementation specific features.

> - Firmware (boot code/monitor code) for microcomputers

You might need some assembly mixed in there, but real C (rather than 
your imagined C) will otherwise be fine.

> - Text and graphics display drivers

For drivers, you usually need a bit of "volatile", but C is fine with that.

> - Basic graphics libraries
> - Frame grabbing
> - Basic image processing
> - 3D graphics
> - Software floating point
> - Maths libraries
> - Text editors
> - Assemblers
> - Compilers (a few of these)
> - Linkers
> - Interpreters
> - Printer and plotter drivers
> - Interfacing to mice, and [digitising] tablets
> - Whole applications (mainly low-end 2D and 3D CAD)
> - GUI libraries
> - Arbitrary precision arithmetic
> - File format conversion (read/write image files, dxf, eps, 3ds etc)
> - Later interfacing to OSes like you, and to 3rd party APIs
> - etc

None of this needs to rely on any undefined behaviour in C.  None of it 
needs signed integers to wrap.  None of it requires C to be a "trumped 
up assembler".  Some of it will need target-specific or implementation 
dependent features.  But that is part of normal C.

> 
> In early days of using bare microprocessor board, I has to use binary 
> machine code. Then I moved on to assembly (and using an actual keyboard 
> and screen editor), and /then/ on to using a primitive HLL, but one I 
> would still class as a proper HLL. That was a luxury!
> 
> None of this involved C, and it never needed the concept of C's UB (nor 
> of C's 'const').

None of it needed to rely on any behaviour that is undefined in C.  None 
of it needed to rely on any behaviour that is not defined in the C 
standards or implementations.  (To be fair here, some of your programs 
will have been from before the days of C standards - and you may only 
have had very limited tools.)

Like many features in all programming languages, "const" in C is about 
making it easier to write correct, efficient code, and to help identify 
some kinds of errors as early as possible.  There are no programs that 
can be written with "const" that can't be written without it - that 
means it is not necessary, but it is very far from useless.

> 
> This may help explain a lot of my scepticism. IMO C has created a rod, 
> not for its own back, but for all its programmers!

No, it doesn't explain anything.  You have built up an irrational fear 
and hatred of C over many years, but it is very definitely irrational, 
and strongly founded in misunderstanding.  You firmly believe C to be 
something that it is not - something it has never been.  So when C or C 
tools don't do as you expect, you fear them and blame them.  At no point 
have you accepted that the problem lies in your misunderstandings.

> 
>> optimization.  So I my wish higher level than C.  At lower
>> level I may wish fancier macros in assembler, but that is
>> all: in such case I need control that only real assembler
>> can give.
> 
> Now, for more control, I use inline assembly, but inline assembly with 
> an easy interface to the host language. Compare the same thing in gcc.

gcc inline assembly is not designed to be easy to write - that would not 
be a necessary feature, since it is so rarely needed.  It is designed to 
interface closely and efficiently with the compiler.  (I am not going to 
pretend it could not be neater or easier - it certainly could.)

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    Re: C wish list Howard Chu <highlandsun@gmail.com> - 2019-03-20 09:17 -0700
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              Re: C wish list James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-03-20 11:12 -0700
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                Re: C wish list Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-23 16:24 -0700
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                Re: C wish list Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-03-23 11:41 -0400
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                Re: C wish list Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-03-25 07:53 -0400
                Re: C wish list James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-03-25 11:22 -0700
                Re: C wish list Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-03-26 23:28 -0400
                Re: C wish list James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-03-27 07:49 -0400
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                Re: C wish list Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-24 16:38 -0700
                Re: C wish list David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-03-25 01:32 +0100
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                Re: C wish list Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-24 18:35 -0700
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                Re: C wish list David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-03-23 13:47 +0100
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                Re: C wish list Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-03-23 17:53 +0000
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                Re: On "high-levelness" of languages (was "C wish list") Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-23 18:37 -0700
                Re: On "high-levelness" of languages (was "C wish list") David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-03-24 22:22 +0100
                Re: C wish list David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-03-24 21:58 +0100
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                Re: C wish list Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-23 13:00 -0700
                Re: C wish list David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-03-24 22:27 +0100
                Re: C wish list Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-03-23 23:34 +0000
                Re: C wish list antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2019-03-24 17:43 +0000
                Re: C wish list Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-03-24 19:44 +0000
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                Re: C wish list Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-03-25 07:59 -0400
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                Re: C wish list Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2019-03-25 22:35 +0000
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                Re: C wish list Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-03-25 19:08 +0000
                Re: C wish list David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-03-25 22:24 +0100
                Re: C wish list Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-03-25 22:08 +0000
                Re: C wish list David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-03-26 10:20 +0100
                Re: C wish list Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-03-26 11:58 +0000
                Re: C wish list David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-03-26 16:49 +0100
                Re: C wish list Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-03-26 16:23 +0000
                Re: C wish list Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2019-03-26 13:24 -0400
                Re: C wish list Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-03-26 10:31 -0700
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                Re: C wish list Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-22 12:06 -0700
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              Re: C wish list James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-03-21 15:09 -0400
              Re: C wish list Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-21 12:45 -0700
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              Re: C wish list Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-21 12:55 -0700
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      Re: C wish list scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-03-20 21:12 +0000
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            Re: C wish list David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-03-21 16:13 +0100
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              Re: C wish list Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-21 13:02 -0700
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    Re: C wish list Howard Chu <highlandsun@gmail.com> - 2019-03-23 11:38 -0700
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