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Re: No universal expansion

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: No universal expansion
Date 2018-12-27 01:48 +0000
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benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/26/2018 6:26 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/26/2018 3:18 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/26/2018 8:40 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/25/2018 5:28 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/25/2018 8:58 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>>>>>> “No, actually, the papers of David F Crawford have been systematically
>>>>>>>>>> repudiated. “
>>>>>>>>>> Reminds me of Halton Arp.
>>>>>>>>>> They don’t like it, they just don’t listen
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hey that's Odd's rule too!  You just say something is wrong without even
>>>>>>>>> reading what it is.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don’t know why you think I haven’t read Crawford’s papers.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That way you are never polluted by reading heresy.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think so because you have demonstrated this methodology over and over.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I"m still waiting for that reference that shows Crawford is wrong and a
>>>>>>> crank. Unlike you I will then read it before I form my opinion.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good lord, you need to be spoon fed too?
>>>>>> I thought you had training in research tools. You need a woodworker to
>>>>>> remind you how?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://inspirehep.net/author/profile/D.F.Crawford.1
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Well wonderful, Odd, you now established that Crawford is a credible
>>>>> author with at least 10 astronomical papers with at least  41 citations
>>>>> by others which seems to put the lie to your contention that he is a
>>>>> kook with no credibility.
>>>> 
>>>> No. What it puts to lie is your idiotic claim that anyone with non
>>>> mainstream ideas will never get published. He IS published, but if you’re
>>>> taking the number of cites and the number of published papers as
>>>> endorsement of his position, then you haven’t read the papers that cite
>>>> his.
>>>> 
>>>> How about you do some of your own goddamn literature research on your own,
>>>> rather than having to be reminded how to do it by a woodworker?
>>> 
>>> How about you actually support your statements with more than your usual
>>> "proof by assertion". It is not *I* who is saying that Crawford is
>>> "wrong". Your assertion, your requirement to back it up. Give us your
>>> BEST paper that supports your beliefs.
>> 
>> Read the papers, Ben. I’ve done the literature reading. Time for you to be
>> a grownup and do the same, rather than badgering people to do it all for
>> you. Are you an invalid?
> 
> It's your argument hence it's your proof. 

It is NOT my argument. It is the argument of PHYSICISTS that Crawford’s
work is wrong. If you want to ignore all that and make this into a mano e
mano thing between us, you are missing the point. 

Both John and you stated uncategorically that Crawford’s work PROVES the
Big Bang wrong and PROVES John’s ideas right. And yet you won’t look st the
work of PHYSICISTS who have evaluated the work. Why is that, Ben? 

> Being insulting is not 
> scientifc argument. Unless you can PROVE you've read these papers (which 
> apparently you haven't since you are trying to make it sound as if you 
> have, then you still have nothing but your worthless word. If you want 
> to prove Crawford wrong as you assert then give us the papers that prove 
> it. Then a science discussion can take place. Until then all we have is 
> your opinion which is worth absolutely nothing and attempting to move 
> the debate so that I provide your arguments for you is simply 
> unscientific nonsense. It's YOUR assertion that Crawford is wrong and 
> MANY Papers prove it. If you want anyone to give your point any 
> credibility at all then you had better produce a reference to at least 
> ONE of those "many papers".
> 
> Otherwise, just shut the fuck up because you have nothing worthwhile to 
> add to any scientific debate here and we will have to go with John who 
> indeed did provide one paper to justify his position!
> 
>>>>> How about giving us your BEST paper that actually debunks his data that
>>>>> throws doubt on the Big Bang theory rather than simply strengthens
>>>>> Crawford's case?
> .
> 
> 



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Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 03:56 -0800
  Re: No universal expansion Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-22 14:34 +0100
    Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 06:58 -0800
      Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 15:51 +0000
        Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 08:02 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 18:56 +0000
        Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 11:59 -0500
        Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 05:04 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 18:47 +0000
            Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 15:55 -0500
              Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 12:56 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 05:58 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 21:38 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:52 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:42 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:23 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:51 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:28 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:23 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:58 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:17 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 20:18 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 16:19 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 23:25 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 19:42 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 01:48 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 16:33 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 23:26 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 19:50 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 01:48 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 08:22 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 16:58 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 09:05 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 18:32 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 10:56 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 01:44 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 00:02 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 12:08 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 07:40 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:03 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 11:53 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 14:12 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-28 14:44 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:06 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 11:51 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 03:16 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 13:44 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-29 22:30 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:27 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 03:16 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:20 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:03 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 14:10 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:39 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-26 10:41 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:50 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:10 -0500
      Re: No universal expansion Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-24 23:46 +0100
        Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-24 19:19 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 05:44 -0500
            Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-25 10:18 -0800
  Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-22 11:39 -0800
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