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Re: No universal expansion

From benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: No universal expansion
Date 2018-12-26 13:39 -0500
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On 12/26/2018 9:10 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/25/2018 5:28 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/25/2018 8:58 AM, john wrote:
>>>>> Odd
>>>>> “No, actually, the papers of David F Crawford have been systematically
>>>>> repudiated. “
>>>>> Reminds me of Halton Arp.
>>>>> They don’t like it, they just don’t listen
>>>>>
>>>> Hey that's Odd's rule too!  You just say something is wrong without even
>>>> reading what it is.
>>>
>>> I don’t know why you think I haven’t read Crawford’s papers.
>>>
>>>> That way you are never polluted by reading heresy.
>>
>> I think so because you have demonstrated this methodology over and over.
>>
>> I"m still waiting for that reference that shows Crawford is wrong and a
>> crank. Unlike you I will then read it before I form my opinion.
>>
>>
> 
> Crawford isn’t a crank. He is however persistently wrong.
> 
> I’ll point out, however, that you are guilty of what you accused me of.
> Just a couple of posts ago, you were lauding Crawford’s paper as definitive
> PROOF that the Big Bang model is wrong, no doubt because this is what you
> want to be true as well. But you had not read any of the response papers to
> Crawford’s. And so you formed your opinion BEFORE reading the literature on
> the subject. And it took a woodworker to remind you how to do that
> literature research. And you then compounded the error by accusing me of
> neither reading Crawford’s paper nor the response papers, and instead of
> just dismissing the paper unread. Mistake upon mistake, Ben, all in the
> heat of the moment of knee-jerk defense of the fringe element.

So like any lib you generate some major fantasy and jump into the middle 
of it as "truth" to you. Well enjoy the swim, woodworker.

Truth Is Belief. It is YOUR world, not science. I said that the Crawford 
paper is proof the Big Bang is wrong. But that presupposes that his data 
and measurements are correct. Science does not operate on religious 
beliefs, Odd. You do. Therefore if you can prove his paper is wrong then 
obviously Crawford proves nothing. And you have said over and over again 
(as above) that many response papers have indeed shown that. So I have 
asked you not for all these papers but merely references to your BEST 
refutation of Crawford's paper. JUST ONE. And You produce nothing. Over 
and over you produce nothing.

 From this one can only conclude that not only have you not read 
Crawford's paper but also have not read any of the response papers as 
well. But somehow in spite of this lack of knowledge you find to 
authority to declare Crawford a kook who publishes nothing but mistakes.

There is no knee-jerk here except from you. I ask you again give us the 
reference to the BEST paper that refutes Crawford's paper. More 
name-calling is not science. Don't you want to move from amateur up to 
real scientist? This is how it's done.

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No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 03:56 -0800
  Re: No universal expansion Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-22 14:34 +0100
    Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 06:58 -0800
      Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 15:51 +0000
        Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 08:02 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 18:56 +0000
        Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 11:59 -0500
        Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 05:04 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 18:47 +0000
            Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 15:55 -0500
              Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 12:56 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 05:58 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 21:38 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:52 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:42 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:23 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:51 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:28 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:23 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:58 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:17 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 20:18 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 16:19 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 23:25 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 19:42 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 01:48 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 16:33 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 23:26 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 19:50 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 01:48 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 08:22 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 16:58 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 09:05 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 18:32 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 10:56 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 01:44 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 00:02 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 12:08 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 07:40 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:03 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 11:53 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 14:12 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-28 14:44 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:06 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 11:51 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 03:16 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 13:44 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-29 22:30 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:27 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 03:16 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:20 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 04:03 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 14:10 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:39 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-26 10:41 -0800
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 16:50 -0500
                Re: No universal expansion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:40 +0000
                Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 13:10 -0500
      Re: No universal expansion Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-24 23:46 +0100
        Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-24 19:19 -0800
          Re: No universal expansion benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 05:44 -0500
            Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-25 10:18 -0800
  Re: No universal expansion mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-22 11:39 -0800
  Re: No universal expansion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 10:26 -0800

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