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Re: What is a field?

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: What is a field?
Date 2018-12-09 13:07 +0000
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benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/8/2018 5:42 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 2:09:37 PM UTC-5, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>> […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> According to Steven Weinberg: A field is a sort of stress in space,
>>>>>>> something like the various sorts of stress that are possible within
>>>>>>> a solid body.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Where and when did he write/say this?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> IIRC, we have been over this here.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A field in physics is simply an object in models where every point in a
>>>>>> mathematical space is assigned a value:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So Weinberg’s description that a field is the stress exists at every point
>>>>> in a solid body is very close to the  correct description.
>>>> 
>>>> No, it is not.  And probably you misquoted or misunderstood him.
>>>> 
>>>>> In any case what is mathematical space?
>>>> 
>>>> *A* mathematical space is (put simply) *an* abstract entity in which (a)
>>>> coordinate(s) is/are assigned to each point.  And there are rules
>>>> (operations) that define how you can get from one point to another, for example.
>>>> 
>>>> (There is not *the* mathematical space.)
>>>> 
>>>> The concept of a field uses this.  You can assign a value to every point in
>>>> a mathematical space as described by its coordinates.  That value can be a
>>>> number (scalar), perhaps with a unit; it can be a vector itself, or in
>>>> general it can be a tensor.  (See below.)
>>>> 
>>>> If the value is that of a *physical* quantity (like temperature, force,
>>>> acceleration, or stress), then you can use this field to describe physical
>>>> reality mathematically.  In the first example in my previous follow-up, the
>>>> coordinate system was defined so that the heat source was in its origin
>>>> because the temperature was highest there (note the peak); it became lower
>>>> as the distance from the origin – given by √(x² + y²), according to the
>>>> Pythagorean theorem – increased.
>>> 
>>> This mathematical approach is devoting the physical explanation why
>>> material objects interacting with each other at a distance. For example,
>>> what is the physical cause of gravity....why object orbiting each other
>>> without falling into each other?
>> 
>> This is where even the simple ideas elude you. To you, an attractive force
>> could only conceivably result in the two attracting objects approaching
>> each other. To you, the idea of a stable circular orbit with no decrease in
>> distance is impossible with an attractive force — it’s just inconceivable
>> to you.
> 
> That is because all forces as John has told you are pushes and not 
> pulls. There is no such thing as a "attractive" force (unless she is a 
> really hot babe) Odd you are a moron who thinks that mathematics is not 
> fantasy ans is some real thing.
> 
>> I’ll point out this is is not a modern physics idea. It is a centuries-old
>> HIGH SCHOOL physics idea.
> 
> If High School physics says attractive forces are real they they are 
> wrong and abusing children.
> 
>> And your reaction is that if it makes no sense to you, then it must be
>> wrong.
> 
> Things that don't make sense (like those things you copy from your 
> books, Odd) actually ARE wrong. Live with it.

Stir the pot, Ben. It’s what you do. 

> 
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Is it not a solid body?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, a (mathematical) space is NOT a solid body.  It is an *abstract*
>>>> *concept* instead.  It can be used, and is used, in physics, to describe
>>>> Nature; but like other mathematical concepts, in mathematics it can also
>>>> exist independently from Nature, and physics.
>>>> 
>>>> A solid body can be described as being *in* a mathematical space.  That
>>>> is, some points of the space lie inside the body and some outside of it.
>>>> It is often useful to place the origin of the coordinate system in the
>>>> center of the body, or in its center of mass.
>>>> 
>>>> <http://www.cornell.edu/video/richard-feynman-messenger-lecture-2-relation-mathematics-physics>
>>>> 
>>>>> If it is not a solid body how can material objects interact with the
>>>>> stresses exist within it?
>>>> 
>>>> Stress is not something that a (whole) solid body interacts with; it just
>>>> is, *for* the body, caused by the particles of the body interacting *with
>>>> each other*.
>>>> 
>>>> Please trim your quotes to the relevant minimum; that includes the
>>>> attribution line.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> PointedEars
>>>> 
>>>> Twitter: @PointedEars2
>>>> Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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            Re: What is a field? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 23:22 -0800
              Re: What is a field? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 12:35 -0800
  Re: What is a field? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-07 22:01 +0100
    Re: What is a field? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-08 06:42 -0800
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        Re: What is a field? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-08 10:21 -0800
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              Re: What is a field? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 22:42 +0000
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              Re: What is a field? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 13:07 +0000
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