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Re: Asymmetrical GRCs

From Sergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Asymmetrical GRCs
Date 2018-11-26 19:22 -0600
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On 11/25/2018 2:45 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>     [The following is part of my preparing for the Astronomy test
>      on Tuesday.  Do not expect this level of verbosity every time.]
> 
> john wrote:
>> [referring to “Asymmetrical Galaxy Rotation Curves” (GRCs), apparently;
>> an acronym that apparently he has just invented]
>> It is impossible for one side of a turning disc to be going faster than the other.
> 
> Why do you think this would be claimed in the first place?
> 
> A galactic rotation curve plots the orbital speed v of stars against
> *their distance D from the center*.  It typically looks as follows:
> 
>     [Use a fixed-width font for display; see also
>      <https://github.com/PointedEars/userscripts#ggformatteruserjs>]
> 
> 
>   v        solid disc (v = ω D)
>   ^       .
>   :      .          __...---- observed
>   :     .     _.--''
>   :    .  .-'-.            __
>   :   ..'       .         |PE
>   :  .            .
>   : .               .
>   :.                  ' . _ _ spiral
>   '-------------------------> D
> 
> What would be expected from the luminous matter is the graph labeled
> “spiral”: the orbital speed of stars should *go down* as their distance
> from the galactic center increases.  Because a spiral galaxy is NOT like a
> solid disc, but a loose arrangement of stars and the interstellar medium (ISM).
> 
> Instead, the orbital speed remains *approximately* *constant* as D increases
> (“observed”).
> 
> There is absolutely NO implication in such a diagram that one "side" of the
> galaxy would rotate faster than another "side".
> 
> If it helps you to see that, the other "side" is implied in the diagram:
> 
>                                v        solid disc (v = ω D)
>                        .       ^       .
>      ----...__          .      :      .          __...---- observed
>               ''--._     .     :     .     _.--''
>                    .-'-.  .    :    .  .-'-.            __
>                  .       `..   :   ..'       .         |PE
>                .            .  :  .            .
>              .               . : .               .
>      _ _ . '                  .:.                  ' . _ _ spiral
>   −D <-------------------------:-------------------------> D
>                             galactic
>                              center
>                                _
>                          .  '     '  .
>                       '    .  ' '  .    `
>                     '   '     . .     `   '
>                   .   '   '         `   ' ^ .^  ^  ^
>                      '  '   . ' ' .    ^  :  :  :  :
>                     .      ' . ' . '^  :  :  :  :  : v
>            :  :  :  :  :  : v  C  ^ :  :  :  :  :  :
>          v :  :  :  :  :  v. . _ . ,      '
>            :  :  :  :. v'   ' . . '   '  .
>            v  v  v' v .   '.       .'   .   '
>                     .   '     ' '     .   .
>                       .    `  . .  '    .          __
>                         `  .   _   .  '           |PE
> 
> 
>   Motion of stars in a spiral galaxy: The length of the arrows indicate
>   how fast a star at this distance from the center (C) is orbiting around
>   the galactic center (its tangential/orbital/radial speed).
>   (The direction of the arrows indicate the direction of tangential motion.)
> 
> Cf.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Galaxy_rotation_under_the_influence_of_dark_matter.ogv>
> 
> 
> Do you understand it now?
> 


Excellent!

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  Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 05:28 -0800
    Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 14:10 +0000
    Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 14:26 +0000
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  Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 14:26 +0000
    Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 14:53 +0000
      Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 09:03 -0800
        Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 17:37 +0000
        Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 18:55 +0000
        Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-26 22:14 +0100
          Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 15:29 -0800
            Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-27 01:23 +0100
              Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 03:10 -0800
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 07:10 -0800
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 07:54 -0800
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-27 16:11 +0000
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-27 16:08 +0000
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 21:28 -0800
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 03:47 -0800
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-28 13:00 +0000
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 07:45 -0800
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 17:20 +0000
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-28 17:55 +0000
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-28 12:54 +0000
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-28 00:38 +0100
      Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 09:08 -0800
        Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 17:49 +0000
        Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 18:55 +0000
  Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-25 21:45 +0100
    Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-26 19:22 -0600
  Re: Asymmetrical GRCs mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 13:26 -0800

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