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Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH!

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH!
Date	2018-11-11 21:01 +0000
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benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/10/2018 8:42 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/9/2018 12:47 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/8/2018 2:34 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 08/11/2018 12:45, SolomonW wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 11:11:20 +0000, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> My point is very simple Sylvia, MAXWELL WAS RIGHT, at the
>>>>>>>>>> macroscopic level light is a wave which travels at a speed
>>>>>>>>>> appropriate to and relative to the medium, and
>>>>>>>>> EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Where did Einstein say that it would not,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But did Einstein not know that even in the furthest reaches
>>>>>>> of outer space there is a gas of finite density, so that
>>>>>>> in reality there is in actual fact "medium" EVERYWHERE.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So really NO ONE should be interested in Einstein's fictions,
>>>>>>> which clearly apply NOWHERE eh!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> he knew that light travels slower
>>>>>>>> in water then in air.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> but did he also know that when light travels in water,
>>>>>>> it travels at c/n(water)) RELATIVE TO THE water ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> did he also know that when light travels in air,
>>>>>>> it travels at c/n(air) RELATIVE TO THE air ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> did he also know that when light travels in hydrogen,
>>>>>>> it travels at c/n(hydrogen) RELATIVE TO THE hydrogen ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Einstein knew how fast light travels in NOTHING eh!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> keith stein
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There comes a point with a medium where you cannot treat it as continuous.
>>>>>> In the case of light, as soon as you have a medium sparse enough that the
>>>>>> scattering centers (ie the ions or atoms) are separated by distances much
>>>>>> larger than the wavelength of the light, then it makes absolutely no sense
>>>>>> to think of continuum treatment of either the light or the medium.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> This is correct. Now, Can you use that idea to explain the wave-[article
>>>>> duality? I'll wait right here.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Particle wave duality is an outmoded motion rendered antiquated in the
>>>> 1950s when QED emerged.
>>>> 
>>> Oh I forgot! Science isn't about concepts and theories, it's like
>>> software where ou have to have the "latest version" of Jargon.
>> 
>> Well, some ideas don’t work well, like relativistic mass and particle wave
>> duality and phlogiston and LeSagian ultra mundane particles.
>> 
>>> 
>>> You have no idea what is wrong with QED. It's one more fairy tale that
>>> you buy hook line and sinker. Your gullibility is astounding.
>>> 
>>> So how does QED "explain" how a dual slit experiment works both as a
>>> wave and as particles? It doesn't.
>> 
>> That’s incorrect. Weinberg does this analysis with QED in his book. Does it
>> help you to just make things up like that?
>> 
>>> It's just a bunch of emission and
>>> reabsorption with least action that explains nothing at all. It's just
>>> more math fantasy.
> 
> So you thing a load of math fantasy is an "explanation"? It's not. It's 
> just jargon and consistent bullshit. Something you are never going to 
> understand.
> 
> 

Well, Ben, as you’ve said many times, you believe that math is a shorthand
for expressing things that can be said in words. I do not believe that
physical laws are fantasies. I do believe that physical laws can be
expressed mathematically. If you choose to elaborately use pages and pages
of words to capture the same meaning that can be captured in a few lines of
mathematical shorthand, that’s up to you. 

QED is a theory based on a collection of physical laws. If you want to try
to express the math in words instead, be my guest. QED does offer an
explanation for the double slit experiment. Whether you ever learned that
explanation or not. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 11:11 +0000
  Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-07 03:24 -0800
    Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 15:13 +0000
  Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-07 10:09 -0600
    Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 17:34 +0000
    Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Gaston Castaneda <agn@j2awdos.nc> - 2018-11-07 20:26 +0000
      Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-07 17:39 -0600
        Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Gaston Castaneda <agn@j2awdos.nc> - 2018-11-08 00:51 +0000
  Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-11-08 23:45 +1100
    Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 13:20 +0000
      Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 19:34 +0000
        Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-08 11:42 -0800
        Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 20:10 +0000
          Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-09 06:52 -0800
            Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 08:23 +0000
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-12 04:29 -0800
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 20:00 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-12 14:51 -0800
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Gaston Castaneda <uucp@jav4ow.nq> - 2018-11-13 20:32 +0000
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-12 11:25 -0600
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 17:37 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:03 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:40 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 19:38 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 22:16 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:34 -0800
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Gaston Castaneda <uucp@jav4ow.nq> - 2018-11-13 20:16 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 15:00 -0800
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 19:44 +0000
          Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 17:47 +0000
          Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-11 03:08 +0000
        Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 10:18 -0500
          Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 17:47 +0000
            Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 20:06 -0500
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-10 02:41 +0100
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 19:33 -0800
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-10 13:42 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 05:49 -0800
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-10 20:04 -0500
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-11 12:13 +0100
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-11 03:23 -0800
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java4ow.nv> - 2018-11-11 15:49 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 21:01 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 21:13 -0500
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-12 22:41 -0600
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 14:03 +0000
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-10 08:39 -0600
      Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-11 02:36 +0000
        Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 15:06 +0000
          Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-11 17:21 +0000
            Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-11 09:47 -0800
            Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 20:06 +0000
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 17:20 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-12 09:53 -0800
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 19:33 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-12 12:41 -0800
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-12 12:44 -0800
            Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-11 20:14 -0600
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 07:42 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 17:29 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:29 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 19:49 +0000
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 17:25 +0000
          Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-12 07:25 -0800
            Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 17:50 +0000
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-12 10:46 -0800
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 19:55 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-12 12:05 -0800
      Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-11 15:29 -0800
        Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 23:43 +0000
          Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 10:45 -0800
            Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 19:07 +0000
              Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java4ow.nv> - 2018-11-12 19:11 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 13:05 -0800
                Re: EINSTEIN WAS WRONG EH! Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java4ow.nv> - 2018-11-12 21:41 +0000

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