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Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp

From	Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@j2adosw.nv>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp
Followup-To	alt.morons
Date	2018-11-09 19:27 +0000
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Tom Roberts wrote:
>> On 11/8/18 11:06 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> nero wrote:
>>>> the MMX […] is a Sagnac interferometer with zero surface
>>> No, it is not.
>> 
>> Sure it is! It is a topological distortion of a circular path such that
>> it encloses zero area.
>> 
>> Of course their analysis did not consider it to be a Sagnac
>> interferometer. Given its slow rotation rate, they used an excellent
>> approximation -- during the light transit time (~ 37 ns) the rotation
>> of the instrument is incredibly tiny, which can be neglected precisely
>> because of the zero enclosed area.
> 
> This is a Sagnac interferometer:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagnac_effect#/media/
File:Sagnac_interferometer.svg>
> I do not see how by reducing "the surface" to zero I could arrive at the
> MMX:

Surely. But you also don't understand the tensors allocated to the theory, 
without which understanding relativity is not possible. Bye.

*_B U N M P_*

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6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2018-11-09 00:53 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-09 06:06 +0100
    Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-09 09:02 -0600
      Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-09 18:19 +0100
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-09 19:12 +0100
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@j2adosw.nv> - 2018-11-09 19:27 +0000
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 12:04 -0800
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-09 19:13 -0600
    Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2018-11-10 01:02 -0800
      Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2018-11-13 00:21 -0800
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2018-11-24 01:57 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 06:24 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 15:04 -0800
    Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-10 08:41 +0000
      Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-10 10:02 +0100
      Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-10 01:33 -0800
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-10 04:03 -0800
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-10 08:27 -0600
          Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java2osw.np> - 2018-11-10 20:03 +0000
          Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-10 14:49 -0800
            Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java4osw.nv> - 2018-11-11 00:39 +0000
              Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java4osw.nv> - 2018-11-11 00:40 +0000
            Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-10 21:32 -0600
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java2osw.np> - 2018-11-10 20:01 +0000
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 08:45 +0000
          Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 13:14 -0800
            Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:32 +0000
              Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-13 12:21 -0600
              Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 14:57 -0800
      Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-10 14:38 +0100
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-10 15:55 +0100
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 14:05 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 14:08 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 14:09 -0800
    Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-11 09:22 +0100
    Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 12:14 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-11-11 11:43 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-11 13:04 -0800
    Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-12 00:55 +0100
      Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-11 16:00 -0800
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-12 02:08 +0100
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-11-11 14:14 -0800
    Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 23:24 +0000
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 10:09 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 10:25 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 15:12 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 16:12 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 16:19 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 11:45 +0000
    Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-15 05:05 +0100
      Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 11:35 +0000
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-15 03:51 -0800
          Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:31 +0000
            Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-15 08:56 -0800
              Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 10:00 -0800
              Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-15 10:17 -0800
            Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-15 18:57 +0100
              Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-15 10:15 -0800
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:34 +0100
          Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-15 06:37 -0800
          Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:46 +0000
            Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-15 18:54 +0100
              Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 16:02 +0000
                Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-16 21:48 +0100
                Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-16 13:00 -0800
              Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 17:07 +0000
                Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-16 22:05 +0100
                Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 21:33 +0000
                Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-16 22:41 +0100
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-11-14 18:02 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-11-15 14:02 -0800
    Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-16 03:47 +0100
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-16 09:27 -0800
    Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-16 22:45 +0100
      Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 22:01 +0000
        Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-16 23:15 +0100
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-17 11:36 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-17 14:37 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-11-17 14:52 -0800
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  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-18 12:15 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-18 12:47 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-19 10:13 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-24 17:04 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-25 11:38 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 13:41 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-28 13:15 -0800
  Re: 6) the inconsistency of the Michelson-Morley esp numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-11-28 15:10 -0800

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