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Re: kilogram to be redefined

From Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: kilogram to be redefined
Date 2018-11-06 08:19 +0100
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Steve <steve7600@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> Youre suggestion that "Kinematic time dilation and space-time oscillations of G. waves  are not related."Thats more or less the same as saying "inertial mass and gravitational mass are not related".

It is not a fair analogy, as in classical mechanics these masses
 are equivalent, what is far from to be true for phenomena of time
 dilation and g.  waves. In SR context, inertial mass is
 abandoned, as it is ambiguous direction dependent 
 quantity.

Some differences:
Time dilation occurs even in flat spacetime.
Time dilation is not periodic.
Time dilation affects the mean measured time intervals.

BTW, what is the supposed relation of G. waves and metre definition ?
Much more relevant is to consider mechanical vibrations affecting
 metre reproducibility.
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> Your comment"Every good textbook has arguments for that. The key is to realize  a motion is not absolute. "Ok, so this regards whether or not there are preferred reference frames. 

If there was a preferred frame, then there would be observed
 assymetry of properties and behaviour of objects,
depending on their absolute speed.
As this is not observed, there is good reason to suppose there is
 no such a frame.

> And without a preferred reference frame nobody can decide who is and who isnt moving. SR rejects a preferred reference frame and suffers the paradox that "your clock is running slower than my clock, while my clock is running slower than your clock". 

> No, this is SR misunderstanding. SR does not suffer paradoxes. It is the human mind that suffers, as it cannot wrap around unintuitive ideas of SR, so distant to everyday human experience.
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> For all practical purposes a gravitating body services all the attributes of being   a preferred reference frame, 

You confuse a frame of choice and a preferred frame. While this
 may be equivalent grammatically, they are very different
 physically.
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> and so this is what I have come to adopt. This more or less mashes SR and GR into a single construct, 

There is no mashing, SR is GR in flat spacetime, for what the S
 and G gives a direct hint.


-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
Miloš Forman


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kilogram to be redefined Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 14:54 +0000
  Re: kilogram to be redefined benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 13:26 -0400
    Re: kilogram to be redefined Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 18:07 +0000
    Re: kilogram to be redefined Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-03 20:29 +0100
      Re: kilogram to be redefined benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 16:26 -0400
        Re: kilogram to be redefined Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-03 21:48 +0100
          Re: kilogram to be redefined Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 20:57 +0000
  Re: kilogram to be redefined Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-11-03 16:01 -0700
    Re: kilogram to be redefined yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-04 00:46 -0700
      Re: kilogram to be redefined Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-04 09:00 +0100
  Re: kilogram to be redefined Steve <steve7600@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 20:23 -0700
    Re: kilogram to be redefined Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-04 08:15 +0100
      Re: kilogram to be redefined Steve <steve7600@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 01:11 -0700
        Re: kilogram to be redefined Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-04 09:35 +0100
          Re: kilogram to be redefined Steve <steve7600@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 04:34 -0800
            Re: kilogram to be redefined Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-04 14:14 +0100
              Re: kilogram to be redefined Steve <steve7600@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 19:52 -0800
                Re: kilogram to be redefined Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-05 06:58 +0100
                Re: kilogram to be redefined Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-05 07:37 +0100
                Re: kilogram to be redefined Steve <steve7600@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 18:33 -0800
                Re: kilogram to be redefined Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-06 08:19 +0100
                Re: kilogram to be redefined Steve <steve7600@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 18:44 -0800
                Re: kilogram to be redefined benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 21:56 -0500
                Re: kilogram to be redefined Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-06 07:53 +0100
    Re: kilogram to be redefined yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-04 00:36 -0700
      Re: kilogram to be redefined Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-11-04 08:51 +0100
  Re: kilogram to be redefined Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-05 14:41 -0600
    Re: kilogram to be redefined benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 16:33 -0500
      Re: kilogram to be redefined Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-05 23:38 -0600
        Re: kilogram to be redefined benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 17:33 -0500

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