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Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh!

From benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh!
Date 2018-10-13 23:12 -0400
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On 10/13/2018 9:48 PM, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
> On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 8:08:17 AM UTC-7, Keith Stein wrote:
>> http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/science-universe-not-expanding-01940.html
>>
>> "The scientists carefully compared the size and brightness of about a
>> thousand nearby and extremely distant galaxies. They chose the most
>> luminous spiral galaxies for comparisons, matching the average
>> luminosity of the near and far samples.
>>
>> Contrary to the prediction of the Big Bang theory, they found that the
>> surface brightnesses of the near and far galaxies are identical.
>>
>> These results are consistent with what would be expected from ordinary
>> geometry if the Universe was not expanding, and are in contradiction
>> with the drastic dimming of surface brightness predicted by the
>> expanding Universe hypothesis."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24/03/2018 08:36, Keith Stein wrote:
>>   > Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts, it
>>   > occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, then this
>>   > will necessarily lead to increasing red-shift with increasing
>>   > distance, as observed by Hubble et. al., without any expansion at all.
>>   >
>>   > Merely by assuming      dc = -K c dt ..................(1)
>>   > I was led to             c = c(0) e^-Kt ...............(2)
>>   > and on to               Red-Shift = e^-Kt - 1 .........(3)
>>   >
>>   >      K ~= 10^-10 /year
>>   >      t = time in years
>>   >
>>   > Only after starting the PHYSICS PRIZE thread, in which i was trying to
>>   > enlist the help of sci.physics.relativity readers to obtain a more
>>   > accurate value of K, did the obvious solution occur to me...........
>>   >
>>   >                         K = H = Hubble's Constant
>>   > and                    t = -t  ( so times past become +ve)
>>   >
>>   > which substituted in (3) gives:
>>   >
>>   >              Red-Shift = e^Ht - 1 .........(4)
>>   >
>>   > then for times which are small compared to 1/H (i.e. small compared
>>   > to the 'age of the universe'), we may use the approximation:
>>   >              e^x ~= 1 + x .................(5)
>>   >
>>   > So for t << 1/H we have:
>>   >
>>   >              Red-Shift = H * t ............(6)
>>   >
>>   > which is of course the normal "Hubble's Law", valid only
>>   > for modest times into the past ( t < ~5 billion years).
>>   >
>>   > As our telescopes manage to see further out into space, and therefore
>>   > further back in time, we will find that the normal linear Hubble's
>> Law > expressed in equation(6), will have to be replaced by the more
>>   > accurate exponential form expressed in equation(4). This is indeed
>>   > what is found  in observatories all around the world eh!
>>
>>
>>
>> wikepedia wrote:
>> "We currently appear to be approaching a period where the expansion is
>>    exponential due to the increasing dominance of vacuum energy. In this
>>    regime, the Hubble parameter is constant, and the universe grows by a
>>    factor e each Hubble time:"
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law#Observed_values_of_the_Hubble_constant
> Red shift and blue tells us whats coming and going. The further we look out the redder it gets.All galaxies beyond Adromida are moving away from us.Reality is those far way are moving faster away.This the Hubble telly is showing.Bert
> 
Moving does give a shift, Bert, but it's not the ONLY thing shifting 
light!  This is Nobel imperial thinking.

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