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Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet

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On 9/2/2018 1:33 PM, Sergio wrote:
> On 9/2/2018 11:13 AM, benj wrote:
>> On 9/2/2018 11:12 AM, kensi wrote:
>>> On 9/1/2018 6:08 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>> all men have 2 legs
>>>> all monkeys have 2 legs,
>>>>
>>>> therefore all men are monkeys.
>>>
>>> The above syllogism is both unsound and invalid. Can anyone in this
>>> audience tell me why each of these things is the case?
> 
> it should be women, not men!!

Aaaaand: FAIL.

Not a single k0ok succeeded in this elementary logic question. It seems 
I have a *lot* of educating to do around here before anyone besides 
Nadegda and maybe two or three others will be capable of carrying on an 
intelligent conversation with me.

But I guess I have to start somewhere. *sigh*

The syllogism was *unsound* because one of its premises was incorrect. 
Any number of Vietnam veterans could explain to you exactly which 
premise was incorrect and why.

The syllogism was *invalid* because its form allows for the conclusion 
to be false even if the premises *were* true. In this case the form was 
"All A are X, all B are X, therefore all A are B". This is easily shown 
to be invalid: all radionuclides are unstable, and all pencils balanced 
on their points are unstable, but no radionuclide is a pencil, or vice 
versa.

Deductive logic is the most basic form of logic. If you know what you 
are doing, you literally can't go wrong with it. And it's a critical 
stepping stone to more or less *everything* else: science, philosophy, 
and even forensics and investigative journalism.

You really *must* try harder, you three, if you want to have a *hope* of 
someday being non-k0oks.

And Sergio: extra demerits for you for having posted the faulty 
syllogism to begin with.

-- 
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here."                                                     ~Checkmate

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Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 10:49 -0400
  Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet Tommy <tom@outlook.com> - 2018-08-31 16:53 +0000
    Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-31 12:06 -0500
      Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 18:12 -0400
  Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-08-31 20:54 -0400
    Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-09-01 00:01 -0400
      Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-09-01 00:06 -0400
    Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-01 08:05 -0400
      Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 11:20 -0400
        Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-01 17:08 -0500
          Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 15:11 -0700
            Re: Workers' Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-09-01 23:20 +0100
              Re: Workers' Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 15:34 -0700
          Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-02 11:12 -0400
            Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 12:13 -0400
              Re: Workers' Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-09-02 17:52 +0100
                Re: Workers' Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-03 12:35 -0400
              Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-02 12:33 -0500
                Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-03 12:44 -0400
                Re: Workers? Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 10:04 -0700
                Re: Workers? Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-03 12:56 -0500
                Re: Workers? Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-09-03 20:04 +0000
                Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-09-04 15:28 -0400
                Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-09-04 22:50 +0000
              Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-03 12:32 -0400
                Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 13:20 -0400
                Re: Workers’ Power vs. Climate Destroyers: What It Will Take to Save the Planet Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-09-03 20:05 +0000

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