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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? |
| Date | 2018-08-21 00:43 +0000 |
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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, 20 August 2018 23:38:30 UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Monday, 20 August 2018 00:01:46 UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? >>>>> >>>>> How does it support the transmission of light? >>>>> >>>>> No mathematical blah, please. >>>>> >>>>> Just follow the scientific methods. >>>>> >>>>> State your axioms, and build upon them to form a theory. Then validate >>>>> that theory with experiment. Make valid predictions with the theory. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I believe there is 113 years of literature doing exactly that. You want >>>> that replicated in a newsgroup? Why??? >>> >>> If you can't do it, okay. Maybe others can. As for the literature you >>> talk about, who cares. If it cannot be expressed briefly and clearly and >>> honestly, making sense, it is worth nothing. >> >> How many times have I heard that from the terminally lazy on this >> newsgroup. > > So no modern physicist can do the simple job every priest or classical > physicist can do about his set of dogmas and definitions. See below. Can’t be done for classical mechanics either. > > Which means that the whole thing is a hoax. They will point to 113 years > of nonsense publications and then go for your pocket for more public funding. Not nonsense. Very understandable. Nothing too hard. Just not brief. >> >> As though anything worthwhile has no depth or complexity. > > Anything worthwhile needs to be defined in brief, I don’t think so. Try doing that for antenna theory. I’ll wait here. > then elaborated in depth, with as much complexity as required. > > >> >>> >>> >>> As for the "why", public money is used to fund projects worth many >>> billions of dollars in the spacetime research ranging from finding black >>> holes to gravity waves, creating black holes!, an many such projects >>> which do not have any practical value. >> >> EXACTLY the point of fundamental research — exploration and knowledge with >> no emphasis on practicality. Engineers have a hard time understanding the >> value of this. > > Most certainly there has been no value in ALL the bullshit modern physics > research - from fusion (supposed to have practical value but has none > whatsoever after billions of dollars and decades of labour by thousands) > to all the useless stuff about black holes and dark matter. And no practical value is being sought in the work. As stated already. > > > The engineer needs good and sound physics to do practical work. When > money is wasted upon pseudo-physics that is not just a waste, it is a > denial of research money for good, sound, new physics. Nah. Everyone can compete for same resources. Just different purpose. > > > As public money is being thus wasted, the engineer is correct to declare > such spending as fraudulent, and those involved, criminals. You can claim that but the population finds value in fundamental research without application. That’s why they fund it. >> >>> >>> >>> Surely any taxpayer may ask simple questions about how public money is >>> spent, about the basics behind the research. Spacetime is the basis. What >>> is it? How does it make any sense? >>> So the "why" - why should not we question the basics behind so much spending. >> >> Feel free to question. There are oodles of books on the subject. > > > The goal should be to stop such wasteful spending. And do the spending > upon making new motors, based upon my new physics. Sorry but your elbowing for attention is counterproductive to your cause. > > The goal should be to completely revise the whole subject of physics. > e=mcc=hv physics should be thrown out, along with outdated notions such > as entropy. The Newtonian laws of motion have to be updated. > > > Such are the basics, in brief, upon which future physics research have to > be based with far greater depth and complexity (in the correct, > meaningful, logical sense following the true scientific methods) than ever done before. What do you mean “true scientific methods”. Asked twice now. > > > Cheers, > Arindam Banerjee >> >> Just don’t expect, like so many hacks, that a clear explication of the >> theory and the experimental evidence will be forthcoming in a few simple >> paragraphs on Usenet. That can’t be done for Newtonian mechanics or quantum >> mechanics or plate tectonics or evolution either. Note this. >> >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 23:08 -0700
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Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 07:01 -0700
Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:29 +0000
Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:06 -0700
Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 00:43 +0000
Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 18:25 -0700
Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-20 18:33 -0700
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