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Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime?

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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, 20 August 2018 00:01:47 UTC+10, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> All waves need mass for progression and existence for all waves are disturbances of mass
>> 
>> This is an untrue statement. 
> 
> Yours is a dogmatic and wrong statement. 
> 
> 
> My statement is perfectly true for
> - water waves need water (a mass) for progression
> - Mexican waves need Mexicans/equivalents (a mass) for progression
> - sound waves need air/solid/water (all masses) for progression. They
> cannot travel in vacuum

And so on the basis of three examples, you naturally conclude that it is a
universal truth. 

Let’s look at the supposition that all mammals give live birth to their
young. Example include humans, cows, dogs, whales, bats, tigers, wolves,
pigs and a plethora of others. Then someone holds up an echidna and the
conjecture is shot to hell, because though living live birth is a popular
trait, it is not the defining characteristic of being a mammal. 

In the same way, though the presence of a material medium is a popular
trait in systems exhibiting wave behavior, that is not the defining
characteristic. 

Of course, I’m aware that there are nutjobs on the internet that have such
implacable faith in their preconceptions that they will deny that echidnas
are classed as mammals, or deny that they exist, or say that there is no
compelling evidence echidnas lay eggs, or announce that they have a
revolutionary new theory of biology in which echidnas are not mammals. 

Likewise, there are uneducable boobs on the internet who will insist that
if physicists do not recognize the unbreakable connection between waves and
material media, then this is a sure sign that physics has lost its way. 

> - thus electromagnetic waves need mass for progression, as ONLY mass can
> make their progression possible.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thus spacetime has to be the same as aether as it carries electromagnetic
>>> waves and gravity waved if they can exist!
>>> 
>>> And aether is the fine solid mass filling the infinite universe through
>>> which all larger masses pass as sieves through water.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 



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Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 23:08 -0700
  Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-08-19 16:19 +1000
    Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 00:05 -0700
      Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-08-19 19:00 +1000
        Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-19 02:39 -0700
          Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-19 02:43 -0700
        Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 06:21 -0700
          Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 14:01 +0000
            Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 12:45 -0400
              Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 09:53 -0700
                Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 20:47 +0000
              Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 18:26 +0000
            Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 17:45 -0700
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          Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 20:47 +0000
            Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 14:19 -0700
  From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 05:39 -0700
    Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 14:01 +0000
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        Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 18:26 +0000
      Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 17:32 -0700
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        Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-21 13:38 -0500
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  Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 14:01 +0000
    Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 17:29 -0700
      Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 13:38 +0000
        Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 07:01 -0700
          Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:29 +0000
        Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:06 -0700
          Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 00:43 +0000
            Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 18:25 -0700
    Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-20 18:33 -0700
      Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 12:52 +0000
        Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-21 11:10 -0700
          Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:56 +0000
          Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:59 +0000
            Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-21 19:44 -0700
              Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:21 +0000
                Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 07:10 -0700
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                Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-22 11:23 -0700
                Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-22 11:42 -0700
                Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 20:43 +0000
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