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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? |
| Date | 2018-08-19 12:29 -0400 |
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On 8/19/2018 5:00 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 19/08/2018 5:05 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >> On Sunday, 19 August 2018 16:19:27 UTC+10, Sylvia Else wrote: >>> On 19/08/2018 4:08 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>> From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? >>>> >>>> How does it support the transmission of light? >>> >>> Physics doesn't answer "how", it only answers "what". >> >> Certainly conventional physics answers "how" with theories and >> supportive facts. >> Like gravity as an universal force (theory) is used to explain *how* >> things fall to earth (fact). > > That's a misunderstanding of what physics says about the situation. It > tells us how to calculate what the trajectory of the falling object will > be. It doesn't tell us why it falls. To say it falls due to gravity is > circular, since the theory of gravity is just based on the observation > that things fall. He said "How" not Why. Science does not answer "why". You are atempting to move the goalposts. > >> >>>> >>>> No mathematical blah, please. >>>> >>> >>> That could be difficult - maybe mere words are not up to the task. Is >>> science to be so limited? >> >> >> Yes. Honesty is there as a must to be followed in conventional >> physics. Mathematics in conventional physics is only a brief and >> convenient alternative to making a wordy statement. > > I strongly doubt that any number of words would suffice to precisely > convey general relativity, or quantum mechanics, or at least not until > the words were merely a codification of the math, and considerably less > comprehensible. Not if one does not have the math textbooks and their definitions to back up your codification. If you have to include the "assumed" portion in every explanation it is not simple anymore. >> Mathematics can be used by dishonest people to make fallacious points, >> for dubious purposes. >>> >>> >>>> Just follow the scientific methods. >>>> >>>> State your axioms, and build upon them to form a theory. Then >>>> validate that theory with experiment. Make valid predictions with >>>> the theory. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Axioms? This isn't mathematics. The starting point for physics is the >>> collection of experimental results. >> >> Axioms, as basic and undisputable units of information, are required >> everywhere, as we all must agree upon them to start any discussion. >> >> If your axiom is that I must accept the speed of light to be >> independent of the source then with those, like me, who do not accept >> this, there is no further discussion. > > The constancy of the speed of light is an experimental result. If you do > not accept it, you must believe that the experimenters are lying or > incompetent. Perhaps you should do the experiments yourself, though you > might find them rather demanding to do accurately enough. > > Sylvia.
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Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-08-19 16:19 +1000
Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 00:05 -0700
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Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 12:29 -0400
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Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 07:01 -0700
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Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 00:43 +0000
Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 18:25 -0700
Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-20 18:33 -0700
Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 12:52 +0000
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Re: From first principles what is the definition of spacetime? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-21 15:06 -0500
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