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Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke - "Death and the Senator"

From a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.written, alt.books.arthur-clarke
Subject Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke - "Death and the Senator"
Date 2018-08-13 19:32 -0700
Organization NewsGuy.com
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On 8/13/2018 12:10 PM, William Hyde wrote:
 > On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 8:02:51 PM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
 >> Over in my old thread, "OT opinion - Sorry Nerds--",
 >> "desiege" mentioned "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke
 >>
 >> That is one I had never heard of and it was not in my books.
 >> It was quite interesting.
 >>
 >> I read it from here:
 >> 
http://www.gdhsenglish.com/thompson/assets/pdfs/ENG3U1%20pdf's/Short%20Stories/BEFORE%20EDEN.pdf
 >>
 >> One can listen to it (Helps me keep on track) from here:
 >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQHwIdST2PQ
 >>
 >> And here, is a synopsis of it:
 >> 
http://thescifidigest.blogspot.com/2012/04/before-eden-arthur-c-clarke.html
 >> -----
 >> or
 >> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22608644-before-eden
 >>
 >> one comment is "One of the overlooked gems of Clarke's oeuvre.
 >> A very atmospheric first contact story, with a really unexpected
 >> (and cautionary) twist ending. Though the past or present existence
 >> of life on Venus is a big enigma, this is a great bit of hard SF on
 >> the topic. Read it (or listen to it) with an open mind and you'll
 >> be pleasantly surprised."
 >
 > In 1961 Clarke published three stories which are (IMO) very good, and 
quite different from his usual work.
 >
 > "Before Eden" "Death and the Senator" and "Hate" take a darker view 
of the world than Clarke generally did, before or after.  This doesn't - 
as far as I know, correlate with any negative event in Clarke' life.
 >
 > Perhaps is was a conscious attempt to expand his range as a writer. 
If so, it worked.  He might have gone on in this vein, but the next year 
he caught Polio, and soon after that 2001 began to take up most of his 
fiction writing time.
 > William Hyde

That is an interesting observation.
I prefer his most common, fairly optimistic side.

Back in 6-20-2017 in this newsgroup I posted some of
my opinions on the short story "Hate".  Nobody responded.

I have not read his "Death and the Senator".
Thank you for mentioning it.
I will now read it at
http://krypton.mnsu.edu/~jp5985fj/courses/230/DeathandtheSenatorAS_9417320.pdf

and one can listen to it at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXQoPwK1zYk&list=PLosJVqUo1OacaeJpgTJqn93bRPBnw0_F-&index=15
(but it is over 50 minutes long,,,,.)

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"Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-12 17:02 -0700
  Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 12:10 -0700
    Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 14:31 -0500
    Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-08-13 20:25 +0000
      Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-08-13 21:27 +0000
        Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-08-13 14:49 -0700
          Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-08-13 23:41 +0000
            Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 21:57 -0400
    Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke - "Death and the Senator" a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-13 19:32 -0700
    Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke desiegel60@gmail.com - 2018-08-14 13:14 -0700
      Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-08-14 20:40 +0000
        Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-08-31 07:17 -0500
      Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 12:42 -0700
  Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke frank.scrooby@gmail.com - 2018-08-15 00:26 -0700
    Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-08-15 01:18 -0700
      Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke frank.scrooby@gmail.com - 2018-08-15 01:53 -0700
        Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-08-15 02:11 -0700
          Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke frank.scrooby@gmail.com - 2018-08-15 03:35 -0700
          Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 10:11 -0400
            Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-08-15 13:15 -0700
              Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 10:17 -0400
          Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-08-15 16:57 -0700
            Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-08-16 00:11 +0000
            Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-08-16 00:25 +0000
              Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke desiegel60@gmail.com - 2018-08-16 09:47 -0700
                Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke - into stowaway a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-03 20:10 -0700
                Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke - into stowaway a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-03 20:38 -0700
        Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 07:27 -0700
        Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-08-15 13:06 -0700
        Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-08-15 15:56 -0700
        Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 12:22 -0500
          Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-08-16 16:16 -0700
    Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-08-15 13:57 +0000
      Re: "Before Eden" a short story by Arthur Clarke Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-08-15 15:49 -0700

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