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Re: What is a particle?

From benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: What is a particle?
Date 2018-08-01 19:54 -0400
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On 8/1/2018 5:06 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> writes:
> 
>> On 8/1/2018 2:51 PM, Volney wrote:
>>> On 8/1/2018 3:12 PM, benj wrote:
>>>> Sorry Sergio but a generator on an old car has no diodes in it. Makes
>>>> DC with a commutator.
>>>>
>>>> Alternators in newer cars have diodes.
>>>>
>>>> (Got to keep you on the straight and narrow here if you are to be
>>>> effective debunking our kooks)
>>>>
>>>> For a wondrous trip into old technology consider the "solid state"
>>>> voltage regulator on an old generator. A relay coil of wire type
>>>> device with buzzy contacts known to fail regularly and repeatedly!
>>>> Lets hear it for the Roswell crash!
>>>>
>>>> (Anybody have the slightest idea what I'm talkin' about?)
>>>
>>> The Roswell UFO crashed because the mechanical relay voltage regulator
>>> for the alternator in their flying saucer failed?
> 
>> People assume aliens have advanced technology, some do, many don't.
>> That buzzy thing was used as an inverter (DC to AC) as a cheap way to
>> get to AC, and/or negitive voltage for some items on old cars, pre WW2
>> stuff, like some radios. but it has a finite lifetime, so spairs are
>> needed, too bad for Roswell UFO
> 
> No, there was also a mechanical voltage regulator for alternators which is
> what benj is apparently talking about. I dissected a few when I was a
> youth learning about electricity/electronics.

They were used on generators (original topic) not "alternators". You 
must have heard of generators, no?  Sometimes in the old days they were 
called dynamos. Of course alternators really do not exist because one of 
Tesla's professors "proved" to him that one could not have an AC 
generator or motor without a a commutator. Ever hear of a commutator?

> The ones I dissected had two relay-looking things, one was the regulator
> itself. When the voltage reached a certain level the regulator relay would
> start to activate and break a circuit. The regulator switched the field of
> the alternator on and off which made the alternator make/not make
> electricity. It also activated the "ALTERNATOR" idiot light on the
> dashboard, if it told the alternator to make electricity but it didn't or
> if one of the alternator's diodes was blown. The two relays could be
> buzzy. Some of the these mechanical voltage regulators had adjustable
> contacts where you could set the voltage.

This is correct. one was the "buzzy" one that pulled in and dropped out 
at high rate to regulate the voltage. The other one was there to protect 
against over-voltage in the case of a regulator fail (which was often). 
If the voltage got too high, the second relay would pull in and shut the 
entire system down and turn on the "generator" light!

Sergio is talking about a similar device often found in the (tube) car 
radios of the era but was used to turn DC (12 or 6 volts) in a chopped 
AC which was then transformered up and rectified to give the high plate 
voltage needed on the tubes. You have NO idea how hosed technology was 
in the old days.


> You are talking about a buzzy circuit that was used to generate higher
> voltage (than 6/12 volts) for a vacuum tube based radio.

Yep, he is.

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