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Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?
Date	2018-06-25 20:44 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 10:07:35 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 9:17:56 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 10:33:47 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 12:12:03 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hey moron, why the CF force is not real when I can feel it? BTW what is
>>>>>>>>>> the reason for claiming that the CF force is not real and only the CP
>>>>>>>>>> force is real. BTW your fanatical religious explanation--that the
>>>>>>>>>> textbooks say so--is not acceptable.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you take a look at Paul's demo, you will see that "centrifugal force"
>>>>>>>>> DOES NOT BEHAVE AT ALL LIKE A TRUE FORCE in directions other than dropping
>>>>>>>>> an object straight down.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You may need to install the Java Runtime on your computer, if you don't
>>>>>>>>> have it already.
>>>>>>>>> https://java.com/en/download/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And Ken, in plainer language that doesn’t involve skills you obviously
>>>>>>>> don’t have, the main lesson is that when you say you feel the centrifugal
>>>>>>>> force, that is in fact a trick of the mind and is wrong. This and other
>>>>>>>> examples are discussed in the basic textbooks that you have chosen not to
>>>>>>>> read. Here are similar examples, all discussed in basic books, and all
>>>>>>>> erroneous illusions. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Moron, what I feel is real. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well just keep telling yourself that and keep saying every book in the
>>>>>> planet is wrong if it disagrees with your personal common sense. I love it
>>>>>> when you do that. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Moron and uneducated woodworker, no matter what book or who claims
>>>>> it.....the idea that there is no CF acceleration is  completely wrong.
>>>> 
>>>> And that, Ken, is why you have lost the ability to think and to learn. It
>>>> doesn’t matter to you if the entire world says you’re wrong, you say you’re
>>>> right. You cannot EVER accept the idea you might just be mistaken. It’s a
>>>> character flaw, and a deep and crippling one. 
>>> 
>>> No moron, current physics is liken a cult and ODD is a devoted cult
>>> member. What the teachings of the cult are the absolute truth and cannot
>>> be challenged. There is no centrifugal force (centrifugal acceleration)
>>> is an example of such cult teaching. 
>>> 
>>> I refuse to accept such cult teachings because:
>>> 1. I can feel the CF force every time I take a ride in the amusement park.
>>> 2. There are thousands of applications using the concept of CF
>>> force.....for example: centrifuges to separate material of different
>>> densities, gas centrifuges to separate U 235 from U 238....etc. 
>>> 3. I am a rational human being....not a physics cult member. Therefore, I
>>> don’t believe in such cult teaching.
>>> 4. I asked cult member ODD to explain why that there is no centrifugal
>>> force (acceleration)....no explanation was provided.
>>> 
>> 
>> So, Ken, you say that because you are a thinking human being with sensory
>> experience, you have no need to learn even basics physics, even if the
>> conclusions you draw from your thinking and experience are dead wrong. 
> 
> Moron, my experiences are not wrong. 

Yes they ARE. This is SPECIFICALLY why these examples are called out in
textbooks, as I mentioned. Because the way people describe their sensations
is WRONG and does not match the real explanation. 

Deny these hundreds of textbooks until the day you die. Insist that your
experience is right until the day you die. You are all alone, claiming that
the books are all wrong about these simple explanations. 

> When I am on a Merry-go-Round it is trying to throw me of it and I do
> feel the centrifugal motion. It is you and your SR fanatics who failed to
> understand the fundamental of physics. Also you failed to remember that
> if your theory contradicts observations or experience 

There is NOTHING in science that says if a theory runs counter to everyday
experience then it is wrong. 

> then your theory is a failed theory.....time to go back to the drawing board.
> 
>> And
>> you say that it doesn’t matter at all what the designers of centrifuges say
>> the principle of operation of centrifuges is, if your dim memory says
>> otherwise, then you’d rather believe yourself than the designers. And you
>> say that if you ask questions about any of this on Usenet, then experts are
>> obligated to explain themselves to you until you are convinced. 
>> 
>> Are you nuts???
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Calling the CF force is not real is a fanatical SR religious belief.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1. When you step on the gas in your car, you feel pressed back in your
>>>>>>>> seat. In fact there is no force pushing you back in your seat. It is your
>>>>>>>> mind mistakenly misinterpreting a force FORWARD one forward you. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Moron, the seat is accelerating toward me and that’s why I feel the force
>>>>>>> pushing me forward
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2. When your car makes a sudden left turn, you feel a sideways force
>>>>>>>> pushing you to the right. In fact there is no force pushing you to the
>>>>>>>> right. It is your mind mistakenly misinterpreting a mix of a force LEFT on
>>>>>>>> your posterior and a lack of any force left or right on your head. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Moron, I am in a state of CF motion toward the door and the door is
>>>>>>> stopping me go further.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 3. When you are in an elevator and press the Up button, you briefly feel
>>>>>>>> heavier as though gravity downward has increa...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Moron, that’s because the floor of the elevator is in a state of CF
>>>>>>> motion toward me and I was trying to stop it and that’s why I feel heavier.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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